Members Login
Post Info TOPIC: Long Live Musical Snobbery


Lookin' After Number 1

Status: Offline
Posts: 1
Date:
Long Live Musical Snobbery
Permalink  
 


I'd just like to voice my utter frustration at the decision made my Sir Bob and the Live 8 organisers as reported in todays newspapers.


It seems as though musical snobbery and subjective perceptions of 'seriousness' and 'credibilty' has already begun to taint an event that is supposed to be about bringing musicians together, from all genres, to support one common cause, by those very people organising the said event.


The Spice Girls are undeniably one of the most influential, and successful pop acts of the last decade. Their first two albums along have sold in excess of 40 million copies, as a group they have achieved 8 UK number one singles, and as solo acts have amassed a staggering 34 top 20 hit between them, all while being the last British act to majorly crack the US charts.


If this along does not make the Spice Girls 'worthy' enough to perform at Live 8, then I would like to ask Sir Bob ad the Live 8 organisers, by what criteria are they assessing the suitability of the peformers at the event?


Who decides what is 'credible' music? The Radio One playlist? The NME? Sir Bob himself? Have the Live 8 organisers abused their power and influence over the charity event in order to steer the concerts choice in acts in a direction they want it to go?


The spokesperson for the BBC, quoted today in the Daily Mirror, seemed to feel that the Spice Girls are too 'trivial' and not 'serious' enough for the event...


Yet an ex Take That member butchering Queen classics, the ever so political Destiny's Child (like the Spice Girls, but black) and Joss Stone (a posh girl from Devon who likes to think she's an American soul diva and recently admitted to not knowing who Sir Bob was and on meeting called him 'Sir Gandalf') are serious enough to perform!?


It seems to me that the only thing 'trivial' about the concerts choice in performers is the organisers blatant, pretentious musical snobbery in regards to an event that should cast subjective boundaries of individual musical taste aside in the name of a good cause.


What's more, news of the Spice Girls possible reunion for Live 8 has been filling newspaper pages for the last week. Their performance would have doubled the concerts profile, all contributing to raising awareness for the Live 8/Make Poverty History cause. However, rather than welcoming that oppurtunity, the Live 8 organisers have thrown it back in the face of the Spice Girls, and fans of popular music worldwide, all in the name of musical snobbery.


Not wanting to cast even more of shadow over the event, but I predict that future newspapers column inches may not be so positive about the the Live 8 concert...


Disgruntled Pop Fan



__________________


V Deep

Status: Offline
Posts: 962
Date:
Permalink  
 

Musical snobbery.  Right.  That explains Mariah Carey.  I've always known she was deadly serious.

__________________


Back To Boomtown

Status: Offline
Posts: 6971
Date:
Permalink  
 

quote:

Originally posted by: franna

"Musical snobbery.  Right.  That explains Mariah Carey.  I've always known she was deadly serious. "


They had Howard Jones and Nik Kershaw at Live Aid, so.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Aid#Live_Aid_performers


Maybe the Spice Girls can headline Paris!



__________________

 What is this bloke talking about? 


Back To Boomtown

Status: Offline
Posts: 6971
Date:
Permalink  
 

quote:

Originally posted by: RhythmNative

...The Spice Girls are undeniably one of the most influential, and successful pop acts of the last decade. Their first two albums along have sold in excess of 40 million copies, as a group they have achieved 8 UK number one singles, and as solo acts have amassed a staggering 34 top 20 hit between them, all while being the last British act to majorly crack the US charts. If this along does not make the Spice Girls 'worthy' enough to perform at Live 8, then I would like to ask Sir Bob and the Live 8 organisers, by what criteria are they assessing the suitability of the peformers at the event? Who decides what is 'credible' music? The Radio One playlist? The NME? Sir Bob himself? "


 


Other stars will be announced over the coming weeks - with the Spice Girls still rumoured to be staging a reunion.


"I spoke to them this morning and it's looking very good," Geldof said. "There's a lot of stuff they have got to sort through. They are trying to resolve differences of many years."


http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/PA_NEWA1100221117552551A0?source=PA%20Feed)


Personally, I suspect the reason they would not be in 'Live' 8 is that they aren't renowned for their 'live' performances.  You do make some valid points, but I think the criteria for selection is how good they are live, not their record sales.  It would be good if the NME did select the acts, but it looks more like Q magazine


 


 



__________________

 What is this bloke talking about? 


Lookin' After Number 1

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:
Permalink  
 

Yes, lip-synching at a live gig is not really appreciated is it. Shallow, plastic pap is what they spew out.


Long live musical snobbery!



-- Edited by TheBruce at 13:40, 2005-06-02

__________________


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
Permalink  
 

Hello all! What do you think of having African musicians play at these shows? Who would you like to see? Who are some of your favorites? Do any of you play instruments?



__________________
MJ


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 257
Date:
Permalink  
 

One of my pet peeve is when someone rants about something without citing the source, making it impossible to judge the validity of it. My general understanding was that Bob was fond of the Spice Girls (wasn't he in their movie?), so I don't see why he would be snubbing them all of a sudden.

__________________
Don't Believe What You Read.
MJ


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 257
Date:
Permalink  
 

motema2004 wrote:


Hello all! What do you think of having African musicians play at these shows? Who would you like to see? Who are some of your favorites? Do any of you play instruments?


I think this would be a fantastic idea. Sadly I don't know enough African musicians to make suggestions other than Johnny Clegg. I saw him again last summer and he was great.


 



__________________
Don't Believe What You Read.


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 238
Date:
Permalink  
 

Your quote: "Have the Live 8 organisers abused their power and influence over the charity event in order to steer the concerts choice in acts in a direction they want it to go?"


This is a very idiotic question, to be honest. If they are the organisers of the event - meaning that Bob Geldof probably granted that position, and thoroughly monitors is - then they have every right to steer the acts in a way that they believe would be pleasing to the audience.


They also have the right to choose any performers that they know on a personal level. The Spice Girls were popular in the mid and late 1990's. Singers such as Joss Stone are relatively new. How popular was Madonna at Live Aid? Not very. He picked rising stars to bring in more viewers, just as he is doing now. Personally, I enjoy rock 'n' roll more than pop. I was a large fan of the Spice Girls however.


But do you really think that almost a decade after their break that they should be playing at such an event? In my mind it makes no sense. I don't necessarily appreciate the music of 50 Cent, P. Diddy, Jay-Z, or several of the other "artists" that will perform. Unfortunately it's what's popular at the moment. The idea for this event is for people to watch. Big names get more viewers. The Spice Girls are no longer a big name. Perhaps you could make that argument for REM, A-ha, and Duran Duran. The difference is that these bands have been together (or were together) for many years and had many hits in their prime as well. But the main reason is that their music was actually good, not necessarily about just making money by flashing some skin and talking about "love," but by having good songs with powerful lyrics, instruments, talent, etc. They had more than boobs and a few albums. They had power. 


While your opinion may not agree with that of the organisers, complaining in a simple forum won't do anything to really change the lineup of the show. My argument against your complaint probably won't do anything either. But I have nothing else to do right now than try to set a confused mind straight.


Stay groovy.


PS: Try to at least stop listening to the Spice Girls. Their music was lame and their movie sucked.



__________________
Stay Groovy


House on Fire

Status: Offline
Posts: 151
Date:
Permalink  
 

MJ wrote:


I think this would be a fantastic idea. Sadly I don't know enough African musicians to make suggestions other than Johnny Clegg. I saw him again last summer and he was great.  

Try my Ya Congo website for an introducton to Congolese music.  Different parts of Africa have their own music, so you could try the Sterns music shop website (also accessible via my website) as well if you want to sample some other African music.  The Sterns samples are one minute long, which gives a good flavour of the introduction; many songs are eight or more minutes long and the tempo often increases as the songs develop, so the songs can get quite wild by the end.

__________________
Ya Congo
Portal - Music page - Forum


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
Permalink  
 

YaCongo is a very informative website. See also www.clubafrika.com another time. the music forum. Thank you for your interest in African music.

__________________


Lookin' After Number 1

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:
Permalink  
 

Soweto String Quartet

__________________


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
Permalink  
 

They look interesting. I looked them up on the Google search engine. Have you seen them on concert? Do you have CDs? Would you recommend them for one of the Live8 shows?

__________________


Tonight

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
Permalink  
 

Amazon website had sampling of this group and they seemed a bit quiet compared to African Congolese music which is more daneceable. Do you expect to dance at Live8 or do you prefer to listen & watch? A lot of African shows, you can't help but dance.

__________________
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse
Powered by ActiveBoard