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I am very proud of this countries ability to show our support for this excellent cause especially in the form of live 8, but I am disgusted to see people already selling tickets on ebay.co.uk for up to £1,000 even though the terms and conditions of the competion specified that the tickets were not for resale, if a person didn't want the tickets why did they enter the draw in the first place. It disheartens me to think that none of this money would ever go to charity and people could be so callous isn't there anything that could be done to stop these tickets being used for immoral gains. I hope this email finds the right person of authority to do something about this.


 
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i dont know if bob reads this forum, but i feel i have to state my disgust at the resale of tickets.


the terms and conditions state


No cash or credit alternatives will be offered. Tickets cannot be transferred, replaced or re-sold.


 


ebay has  issued this response***LIVE 8 Ticket Sales on eBay.co.uk***    
   
13 June, 2005 | 07:19PM BST
 
 
We wanted to let you know that we will be permitting the sale of LIVE 8 concert tickets on eBay.co.uk. As we do not wish to profit from this event, we have offered to make a donation to the LIVE 8 charity at least equivalent to the fees we collect from the sale of LIVE 8 tickets.
 
We are allowing the sale of tickets because we believe that people can make up their own minds about what they buy and sell. The reselling of charity concert tickets is not illegal under English law and eBay believes it is a fundamental right for someone to be able to sell something that is theirs whether they paid for it or won it in a competition.
 
Regards,
The eBay.co.uk Team  


come on bob make a stand against these vultures feeding off the worlds poor


 



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I agree.
People without much conscience are looking to make huge profist on a concert that is not even looking to raise money! Whether or not you agree with the object of Live 8, you must surely see that people selling these tickets are disgustingly greedy.
Please, as many people as possible, log onto ebay and bid ridiculous amounts of money for the tickets so that you are outbidding genuine buyers. I've just bid £5,000,000 & £2,000,000, but the sit only allows you to do this a couple of times.

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I now have your IP, and I will be reporting you.


 You are also stopping those that want to go and are willing to pay, from going. That is pathetic and incrediably un-fair.


Not only are you taking money away from Live 8 (since ebay are giving a percentage of the money earned to Live 8) but what you are doing is illegal. Bidding on ebay is a legal contract, ebay will track down your IPs. If you don't like whats happening, dont use ebay, simple as that.



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lmao - "I now have your IP" - ooooooooooooooooooooo! As if ebay don't?


Free tickets - people selling them? The message Live 8 is meant to be bringing to the world? You really don't know what irony is do you?


 



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I am also sickened by the fact that some individuals seem to have the need to profit from a charity.


 


Why don't all ticket holders have to produce their phone with the winning number at the entrance. That way the pirates will need to give their phones away as well !!!!


 


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It is a disgrace - some people have no conscience at all.

I got slammed on a newsgroup earlier for saying this - they seemed to think it was sour grapes that I didn't get tickets. I hadn't even thought of that

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Whats stopping these people from selling there tickets and using the profits for a just cause, maybe for cancer research, or such like... donating  the funds ,


 


 


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Now Mr Geldof;



Now that ebay has prohibited the sale of the tickets, under NO pressure, only because they care, I think YOU should apologize for making comments about the promoting of Hackers, hell if you ever used a computer, you would know how destructive this can be.



 Oh! and by the way, did you notice ebays comments about how they have donated funds to these coreses before................................................................ ...........................



Shame on you, for not waiting for a reply from ebay, before you start shouting your mouth off,



BUT then again you are used to that......................



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Free tickets - people selling them? The message Live 8 is meant to be bringing to the world? You really don't know what irony is do you?


They are not free, are they? They have been won in a lottery with participants paying via phone company charges.

It is wrong to force once morality on other people - this is what communists did in Russia.


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It's also what President Bush does to left-wing America.


And no one is forcing any sort of morality on anyone, just stating what they believe. It would be like me saying that you're forcing your immorality on everyone else. 



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It's also what President Bush does to left-wing America.


And no one is forcing any sort of morality on anyone, just stating what they believe. It would be like me saying that you're forcing your immorality on everyone else. 





Calling to boycott eBay, his calls to make unrealistic bids, his calls to hackers to damage the site (which is actually illegal) IS forcing the morality on others.


Who is Geldof to think that he has the right to tell other people if it is moral or not to sell a ticket won in a lottery? And not just tell them - prevent them from selling the ticket directing a mob againt a legitimate market place?


And what George Bush has to do with it?


 


 


 



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And what George Bush has to do with it?      

I feel a Tina Turner song cue coming on.....

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Boycotting and bidding to keep others from buying: what "moral" lines do those cross? I really do not understand. The morality is that he just wants people's voices to be heard in hopes of getting aid to suffering Africans. In the process, he's trying to keep middle men from getting tickets and then selling them for a high price. That takes away the idea of aid, because very few of the people that try to get a ton of money for the tickets will donate it to African nations. 


When did he state that any of it was immoral? I have not heard or seen any news of Geldof bashing Capitalists. Even though I think it's wrong, I don't think he's gone to such extremes that you say.


Hacking the site is breaking the law - given. But even if it is against the law, are we in a world where messing up a site on a computer requires jail time, and repentance from some higher God, or forgiveness to some people? Again, where is the immorality? If immorality is not seen with God, then with who? People like you who don't like what other people do? If you would like Geldof to answer for his immorality, talk to him yourself, not people in a forum.


If you believe that morals extend to the marketplace, you are wrong. There are certain business ethics in the world today, but Geldof is essentially not a businessman.


George Bush: You said, "It is wrong to force once morality on other people - this is what communists did in Russia." I was stating my apparent Liberalism against the way Bush is conducting his business of making money and spreading morals to the world. He tries to force morality on America by vetoing and creating bills blah blah blah...a lot of rubbish it all is. But in a way, he is similar to Communist Russia. The difference is he doesn't order the killing of thousands of people. Wait...nevermind on that last bit.



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!!! TICKET HELP WANTED !!!


We (my girlfriend and me) wants to visit the Live 8 Concert in London - We already booked flights weeks ago - but as non UK residents,  we didnt had a chance to participate the text competition


We are not willing to pay cash for the tickets - but if someone abandons me a pair of tickets, I will make a 300 EUR / € donation for the great Africa Project Together for Africa - I will make the donation in the name of the ticket benefactor! You will receive an official verification of the donation! If you are want to help at these way - just contact me / see www.live8.de


Do not contact me, if you want to have money for the tickets!!!



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Boycotting and bidding to keep others from buying: what "moral" lines do those cross? I really do not understand. The morality is that he just wants people's voices to be heard in hopes of getting aid to suffering Africans. In the process, he's trying to keep middle men from getting tickets and then selling them for a high price. That takes away the idea of aid, because very few of the people that try to get a ton of money for the tickets will donate it to African nations.


Bidding to keep others from buying is preventing other people to conduct a legitimate business transation (whatever one thinks about morality of this selling you lottery winnings is legal).


And I also heard him on TV calling for hackers to shut down eBay site - this is definetely illegal - I wonder why the police did not visit him and questioned about it.


I actually cannot see what is even morally wrong in sellind the tickets. This does not take any money from poor Africans. Selling one's ticket only means that a lucky lottery winner needs money more then he wants to go to the concert - what is immoral in helping him/her?


We don't know why somebody would sell the ticket he wins - may be the person is a young guy who realised that by not going to the concert and selling his ticket instead he can now afford to buy a holiday and spend some time in the sun on a beach (I believe Bob Geldof have plenty of opportunity to do this with his money), or to pay off his credit card debt. What is wrong with it?


 



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... but Geldof is essentially not a businessman.

I thoroughly disagree. 

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The police haven't visited and questioned him about it because they have no rule or control over Ebay.


And what is the actual likelihood that the person who wins the ticket in the lottery is a poor man/woman and will only use the money for his/her self in health and food? Do you honestly think that people who would pay for a cell phone text message are living on the streets or in the ghetto? How many people in poverty and need money own cell phones? It's ridiculous. I do not understand how some people can assume that Capitalism is (and some people believe only is) for the sake of poor people. If you need money, then why did you pay for a lottery with a slight possibility of winning a ticket (and how did you afford a cell phone)? If it was just to resell it, that is alarmingly shameful.


The idea for the lottery was NOT for people to go on a vacation, buy a new car, get a computer, or pay off their credit card debt, but for people to go to a rock concert and have their voices heard.


How would you feel if you were putting together the greatest rock show on Earth, almost for free: You give out tickets in a lottery. But then some schmuck takes that ticket - which pays for so much hard work, skill in playing an instrument or singing, man-hours of setting up, international broadcast, advertising, promotion, care, consideration, and seemingly unparalelled humanitarian effort - and tries to make a quick buck off of it. How would you feel? I doubt you'd be saying, "Hooray for Capitalism!"



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meekus wrote:


The idea for the lottery was NOT for people to go on a vacation, buy a new car, get a computer, or pay off their credit card debt, but for people to go to a rock concert and have their voices heard. How would you feel if you were putting together the greatest rock show on Earth, almost for free: You give out tickets in a lottery.


Almost free?


Text message cost 1.50


Total number of messages - 2,200,000


Total money paid - 3,300,000


Number of tickets won - 42,000 (21,000 paires)


Price per ticket - 78 pounds 57 pence


 


And the main thing. It does not matter what was Bob Geldof's idea for the lottery. Once someone paid for it, Geldof has no right to dictate what the person can do with what is honestly won in a lottery. Who Bob Geldof thinks he is?


 



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 Almost free? Text message cost 1.50 Total number of messages - 2,200,000 Total money paid - 3,300,000 Number of tickets won - 42,000 (21,000 pairs) Price per ticket - 78 pounds 57 pence  


wasn't it 75,000 pairs of tickets (therefore 150,000 tickets), making it £22 a ticket?



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Serguei wrote:  Almost free? Text message cost 1.50 Total number of messages - 2,200,000 Total money paid - 3,300,000 Number of tickets won - 42,000 (21,000 pairs) Price per ticket - 78 pounds 57 pence   wasn't it 75,000 pairs of tickets (therefore 150,000 tickets), making it £22 a ticket?


You might be right - I looked at the wrong place (42,000 is in Edinburgh)


On the other hand if it is 22 pounds it is still not "almost for free" as meekus wrote.


 



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I hereby avow that I also belong to the "immoral" part of the story, not being a reseller but a buy FROM a ticket reseller. However, isn't that understandable. I've almost never been to a rock concert in my life, always been a great fan of Paul McCartney, R.E.M. and Travis and been longing for years to get the chance (and the time!) to go and see them play. Now, by the beginning of the year, I promised my girl-friend to fly with her to London, as we always dreamt of being there one day. In addition, I've been fascinated by Coldplay and Keane during the last months. Robbie has ever been my singing idol, Dido is my girl-friend's favourite - and she's been desperate to go to one of her concerts - and she would die for Elton John (fortunately he only goes for men). Becomes boring, but als U2, Mariah Carey are a "must" for me, not to mention legends like The Who and Pink Floyd...

And the weekend of July 2nd is going to be our HOLIDAYS!

From that point of view, if I lived in the UK I would have send a HUNDRED of txt messages or even more, so the tickets wouldn't have been free at all - and there would still have been the possibility of getting nothing at all for my money.

So, by contacting some resellers I found an aged Lady who always goes for lotteries and competitions and has been lucky this time. She has no use for the tickets, so why not buy it from her for a price I would have payed in the loterry instead - if I had been given that chance?!

You see, I definitely would have gone to concerts of at least

Paul McCartney
R.E.M
Travis
Coldplay
Elton John
Robbie Williams

and that would have been slightly more (capitalistic) investment I would have had to make than I'm doing now.

IMPORTANT:
A problem that remains now, is that she has been informed that Live 8 is holding back the tickest before nearer to the concert, and they might not reach me in time. Does anyone here have information about an exact date when the tickets are going to be given out?

Lucky

BTW: Strangely enough, there are already re-re-sellers out there. Got a reply from one of the sellers, saying: "sorry min i can accept is 750, that is how much i bought them for..." Oh dear!!!

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Serguei wrote:  Almost free? Text message cost 1.50 Total number of messages - 2,200,000 Total money paid - 3,300,000 Number of tickets won - 42,000 (21,000 pairs) Price per ticket - 78 pounds 57 pence  


wasn't it 75,000 pairs of tickets (therefore 150,000 tickets), making it £22 a ticket?


Not wishing to be pedantic but...


{quote found on the web}


At 1.50 pounds ($2.72) per text, the group collected more than 3 million pounds ($5.4 million) in the lottery.

The first 1.6 million pounds ($2.9 million) will go toward the Prince's Trust, a youth charity established by Prince Charles. Live 8 agreed to make this donation in return for the cancellation of Party in the Park, the Prince's Trust's annual concert in Hyde Park.

Another 200,000 pounds ($360,000) will be donated to a group to improve children's mental health called Help A London Child.

The remaining funds will be spent on materials for the concert in Hyde Park.


{unquote}


So, £1.5m, tickets 150,000.  I make that a neat £10 per ticket.


It's not free, but it's an offer that doesn't get repeated very often.


 



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Not wishing to be pedantic but... {quote found on the web} At 1.50 pounds ($2.72) per text, the group collected more than 3 million pounds ($5.4 million) in the lottery. The first 1.6 million pounds ($2.9 million) will go toward the Prince's Trust, a youth charity established by Prince Charles. Live 8 agreed to make this donation in return for the cancellation of Party in the Park, the Prince's Trust's annual concert in Hyde Park. Another 200,000 pounds ($360,000) will be donated to a group to improve children's mental health called Help A London Child. The remaining funds will be spent on materials for the concert in Hyde Park. {unquote} So, £1.5m, tickets 150,000.  I make that a neat £10 per ticket. It's not free, but it's an offer that doesn't get repeated very often.  


Mmmm, I don't think that breaking it down like that changes the fact that the average spend per ticket is £22.  People paid £3.3m and got 150,000 tickets.  3300000/150000 = 22.



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I don't get your math. If one person pays the text charge, then that's how much the one person has paid for and won the ticket.


If you multiply the ocst of the text by number of people to sent in a text message, and then divide it all by the number of tickets, then 22 Euro is the value of ticket. It's not how much any one person has paid for it.


Even if you take the value of the ticket, you all say 22 Euro. Is there a part of you that actually feels good about taking a ticket worth 22 Euro and selling it for 750 Euro? If the person willing to resell it has no use for it and has it a nominal charge, as with Lucky's post, then I see no problem. But it's the people on Ebay and sleazy types who are just trying to go on a vacation or pay of some of that credit card debt that I have a problem with.


I don't understand how this resale in Capitalism goes with anything that Bob Geldof believes.


But still, if someone offered me a ticket for $20 American, I'd buy it in a milisecond.



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I don't get your math. If one person pays the text charge, then that's how much the one person has paid for and won the ticket.





If you calculate it this way it will mean that Bob Geldofs ripped off those who did not get a ticket - they paid money hoping to see the musicians but Bob did not give them anything for the money.


It is the lottery. The lottery makes the prizes cost to an AVARAGE person a sum of total money spent on tickets divided by number of prizes.




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If you multiply the ocst of the text by number of people to sent in a text message, and then divide it all by the number of tickets, then 22 Euro is the value of ticket.



Why you talking about Euros? We don't use Euros in the UK. We use pounds. And unlike Euro the pound is worth 1.82 dollars.


You have no idea what you talking about, are you?



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But still, if someone offered me a ticket for $20 American, I'd buy it in a milisecond.




Don't hold your breath. The tickets are not sold to Americans :) Even if they are Communists and wish to buy them for half price :)



 







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My mistake. I don't understand European money systems. Don't teach me on it, though.


Still. That is the value of the ticket, not it's price. It's price was originally the connecting charge. The value is what comes out afterwards.


Again, sorry about the Euro mix-up....



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!!! TICKET HELP WANTED !!!
We (my girlfriend and me) want to visit the Live 8 Concert in London. We already booked flights, but as non UK residents, we didnt had a chance to participate the text competition
We are not willing to pay cash for the tickets - but if someone abandons me a pair of tickets, I will make a 300 EUR / € donation for the great Africa Project Together for Africa. I will make the donation in the name of the ticket benefactor! You will receive an official verification of the donation! If you are want to help at these way, just contact me!!!


Do not contact me, if you want to have money for the tickets!!!




 


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Buy two of these. You and 15,000 others will be at the front – segregates away from the ordinary poor b…rds. What would Martin Luther King make of this! Free concert indeed!


 


Price: £1250 +VAT per person (To Include Backstage Passes) 15,000 available


(Private table of 10-12 guests. Shared tables for smaller numbers)


 


LIVE 8


Saturday 2 July 2005


Grosvenor House Hotel


Located half way along Park Lane, the five-star Grosvenor House Hotel enjoys an


envious location directly opposite Hyde park and the concert site.


Your day includes:-


• Gold Circle ticket to the Live 8 in Hyde Park


• Two and a half pre-show hospitality within the Grosvenor House Hotel


• Champagne breakfast on arrival with a selection of pastries, muffins and bacon


rolls


• Two course luncheon with wines and coffee


• Complimentary bar


• "Escape Pass" allowing admission to VIP backstage garden area with


cash bar and dedicated toilets (additional cost)


• Hospitality recommences post-show with a finger buffet and complimentary


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• Priority VIP lane/access to concert site


• Floral displays and decorations


• Plasma/TV screens


• VIP pass and wallet for each guest


• Exclusive commemorative gift for each guest - (comment: framed photo of a starving child?)


• CEE Event Management team and hostesses in attendance


Price: £999 +VAT per person


Or


Price: £1250 +VAT per person (To Include Backstage Passes)


(Private table of 10-12 guests. Shared tables for smaller numbers)


 


 



 


 











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Click on the link below to register your request for the full list of hospitality packages, our Platinum VIP Experience range.


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