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Mary of the 4th Form

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hello to you all, before i start this topic i would like to say that this is my own personal opinion and i do not wish to cause an argument here. One thing about the whole live 8 thing that really upset me was the fact that no "dance" act took part in it and this really was very hurtfull considering that this was meant to be an event that was to raise awareness about certain issues but at the same time i felt like a huge part of the young population had been slated from being involved in helping with those issues, these people are part of the future aswell.


Your thinking now " what the hell is he blabbering on about" ? i,m talking about dance superstars like fatboyslim, the chemical brothers etc who i felt had been overlooked when considering a line up for the live 8 show, now your thinking "this guys an idiot" ? you may be right but the way i,m thinking here is that to solve a problem you have to have people around you that have dealt with with the issues of the problem before and in this case i,m talking about one particular issue that was involved with the whole live 8 thing and that is AIDS.


 


Sir Bob   that was very hurtfull



-- Edited by red1 at 01:45, 2005-10-30

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the fact is dance music is aweful on stage and really not suitable for a live event.personally i think snoop dogg was bad enough really.his language was well 'choice' shall we say and the content of dance music in general isnt really suited to this kind of event.i can see where your coming from and i understand.i would have loved to see more punk and minority bands on there and was frankly bored by robbie williams but theres only so much you can do.there was still a large variety of music and it worked well.

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the fact is dance music is aweful on stage and really not suitable for a live event <<< sorry tango but i do not agree with that 1 bit, you have obviously never seen one of the big dance acts perform, for me its more stimulating/entertaining than watching 4-5 guys/girls slap a lump of wood with strings but this is my own personal prefference maybe the age gap thing is a problem here but a few people have said to me that this event was more about playing god with the future of the rock music industry than it was about creating awareness.


 


and again i have to say sorry but i agree with them 100 %



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as a 14 year old I have close experience of the type of music young people want.and yes there are those who enjoy dance music but those people (this is from my experience and people i know only) pay little heed to the MPH campaign and seemed to care very little about it.in fact most of them didnt even glance at there tv set that day, they didnt even wait to see whether there would be any acts they like.and as for playing god with the future of the rock industry.well that sickens me.many of the bands are of the past not the future and they all wanted to help.and so what if a few of them gain from it.its still making a difference and changing things for the better http://www.dylanharris.org/poetry/early80s/geldof.mp3


oh and by the way rock music isnt '4-5 guys/girls slap a lump of wood with strings' it is talent.if youv ever played drums guitar bass piano or almost any instrument youll know that its not easy and its much more than slapping.and in my opinion its a lot harder than getting a good looking boy/girl to talk into your computer mic and using your mixing program to make them sound good.even i can do that



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ahh the joys of being 14, i remember being 14 everything was simple and uncomplicated and reading you reply i can see that. Plug you mic into your computer and use a mixing program and hey your an overnight dance lord, i wish it was so easy, maybe i was a bit harsh in saying the thing about the lump of wood with strings and yes i do agree with you that this is a talent but to say that dance music is just a couple of guys pressing buttons on a computer is just insane. Every time i have this conversation with someone like yourself or others the argument always hits this point, "computer music", and my reply is always the same - we use computers for everything these days, EVERYTHING, drawing/typing/calculations/shopping/communication etc etc but when it comes to using it to produce sound it becomes a whole different argument, why? quote "many of the bands are of the past not the future and they all wanted to help" that was my point exactly, you hit the argument right on the nose there, you really are going to create awareness to young people by putting old and aging rock/pop stars in front of them and then you wonder why they didnt even bother to switch on there tv. If you look at some of the songs that have been released since the live8 event you should notice that some recent limelight for some old aging stars has done them pretty well, no names but a few releases have made me think.


anyway i,m not here to cause an argument especially with a 14 year old, i did enjoy some of the concert but i just felt like a huge amount of people had been left out in a very special one off event.


one other thing  if i sat the stuff down in front of you right now you wouldnt know where to start believe me



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firstly-what stuff.secondly-ok some dance music isnt that easy but quite a lot of it is just old stuff remixed and rearanged.thirdly-life definitely isn't simple and uncomplicated for me.fourth-most people i know watched it despite the old bands, they found it a generally fun day even when just watching it with mates.fifth-the old ones are the best!theres a lot of kids my age who enjoy old music cos, lets face it, a lot of new stuff is aweful.and it's only the chavs i know who were inconsiderate enough not to watch or help or have anything else to do with it.and finally whats your problem with arguing with a 14yr old.a lot of other people on here seem to hate me to the point that theyll argue for days over nothing.join in if you like.itll make you more popular

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if by stuff you mean to make dance music, well i already have made a dance track using a mixing station i found on the school computers.and yes we do use computers for everything but not for things that should require talent like music.you should at least be able to play an instrument if your can class yourself as a musician

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There are a number of different genres in pop and rock music, I'm sure Bob couldn't manage to cover them all. Also he was aiming for the most universally popular acts. Dance music doesn't generally fit into this category, particularly worldwide. His choices weren't personal ones.

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jules you are so wrong dance music is huge worldwide, REALLY HUGE, and hey i,m not slating bob for his choice i just would of liked to see an effort of seing a dance act especially in the uk concert as the uk has a vibrant scene with many talents.


tango if you bothered to read my last post you would of read that i said i wasnt arguing but maybe people keep arguing with you because you always like to get the last word in maybe?


ok on the computer thing ...no comment @ what you wrote.... architecture this doesnt require talent? design this also doesnt require talent? i dont have to say anymore.



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yeah but with dance music you just have to understand the basics of computers and be able to tell whether music ias catchy or not.

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i,m talking about dance superstars like fatboyslim, the chemical brothers etc who i felt had been overlooked when considering a line up for the live 8 show, now your thinking "this guys an idiot" ? you may be right but the way i,m thinking here is that to solve a problem you have to have people around you that have dealt with with the issues of the problem before and in this case i,m talking about one particular issue that was involved with the whole live 8 thing and that is AIDS.   Sir Bob   that was very hurtfull -- Edited by red1 at 01:45, 2005-10-30


 


Hi Red1, what do you mean with your last sentence? That artists of dance music have been closer to the problem of AIDS? I may be getting you wrong here.


I believe that sfamine and AIDS aren't two different kinds of things but two symptoms of the same problem. So in trying to raise awareness for poverty in Africa, you'll always be talking about AIDS too.


I can understand you were disappointed that dance music artists were "left out" of Live 8. I was surprised at a few things as well. At the concert here in Berlin, there were several of the German acts missing that I would have liked to see. From what I read, I know that the organisation of the Berlin show was a problem in itself, let alone getting all the artists together on the one day... What I'm trying to say is, I don't think that any of the line up was Bob Geldof's personal choice. I think it was a combination of who was a) selling the most cds (or has been in the past) and b) who he could get hold of.


I don't know why Fat Boy Slim weren't involved (personally I would have loved to see them at Live8!), but I don't think it is to blame on Bob.


If you're really interested in how it works, read Bob Geldof's book "Is that it?". Organizing Live Aid in 1985 was a tour de force and the book tells you about all the problems he faced when he did it.



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