U.S. Rats lps

Mike menzies · V Deep

U.S. Rats lps

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mike menzies wrote:
did tonic fine art and first lp have diff tracks to UK versions? I know MondO five deep & itlg did just curious

Checking the North American catalog number, the tracklisting is identical for the debut LP

The Boomtown Rats (LP, Album, RP, V 2)

Mercury

SRM-1-1188

US

1977

Tonic replaces Normal People Can't Stop with Mary & Joey

Surfacing identical

http://www.discogs.com/artist/180708-The-Boomtown-Rats

http://www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/srm11188

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

In The USA the 1st album was not issued Tonic was the 1st LP Out in the USA with two tracks from the 1st LP Joey & Mary replaced Can't stop & Watch out for the normal people. Fine art was same set up as UK/Ireland. The rest as you know had different tracks on them

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

manatthetop wrote:
In The USA the 1st album was not issued

It was. Look at the picture above. That is the US/Canada version with the Mercury label.

click here to see label http://www.45worlds.com/i/12b547baa78644035c5

Also if you look at the bottom right of the cover, you will see the Mercury logo

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manatthetop · In the Long Grass

You could be right here? But I am only going on what Geldof has said in the past. When you talk of North America that means Canada Which they had a fan base. But in the USA no one new them As geldof himself pointed out He found it hard just to go 60 miles up the road and from being famous to no one known who you are was strange?

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

manatthetop wrote:
I am only going on what Geldof has said in the past.

You have to be careful with what Geldof is attributed with saying and what actually happened. He does embellish his tales, but things are also misreported. He can be in two places at the same time. He's watching the TV news in London about an incident in San Diego at the same time he is doing a radio interview in Atlanta. As Garry says "According to Geldof".

Derek The Dane · V Deep

I have all 6 American albums.Only the 1st and FAOS are the same.ITLG is kind of the same but Rain replaces Dave and Drag Me Down and Lucky have been remixed for the USA.Mondo Bongo has Up All Night and Don´t Talk To Me on it.V Deep has Whitehall 1212 on it.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:
I have all 6 American albums.Only the 1st and FAOS are the same.ITLG is kind of the same but Rain replaces Dave and Drag Me Down and Lucky have been remixed for the USA.Mondo Bongo has Up All Night and Don´t Talk To Me on it.V Deep has Whitehall 1212 on it.

How do they sound compared to the UK pressing? I have Tonic, Mondo and Long Grass which all sound better but what about the others?

Out of interest, do you have any Japanese pressings? I believe they are superior to other pressings, but never got any cos of the cost.

Funnily enough whilst I was looking around for Japanese pressings I saw this

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A fricking laser disc!

Mike menzies · V Deep

Agree I have about 5 jap singles ( Monday's onwards only missing elephants ) they sound very clear and crisp compared to UK versions hav jap greatest hits compilation just called boomtown rats from 1985 that seems very clear and excellent quality also

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

ArrGee wrote:

manatthetop wrote:
I am only going on what Geldof has said in the past.
You have to be careful with what Geldof is attributed with saying and what actually happened. He does embellish his tales, but things are also misreported. He can be in two places at the same time. He's watching the TV news in London about an incident in San Diego at the same time he is doing a radio interview in Atlanta. As Garry says "According to Geldof".

Agree with you 100% on this one

Mark L · Loudmouth

Mike menzies wrote:
Agree I have about 5 jap singles ( Monday's onwards only missing elephants ) they sound very clear and crisp compared to UK versions hav jap greatest hits compilation just called boomtown rats from 1985 that seems very clear and excellent quality also

Just thinking out loud, wonder why extra care /cost would have been taken to get the clearest possible product for the Japanese market, yet the all important UK singles market, as it was then, would have been treated to something less crisp?

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Mike menzies wrote:
Agree I have about 5 jap singles ( Monday's onwards only missing elephants ) they sound very clear and crisp compared to UK versions hav jap greatest hits compilation just called boomtown rats from 1985 that seems very clear and excellent quality also
Just thinking out loud, wonder why extra care /cost would have been taken to get the clearest possible product for the Japanese market, yet the all important UK singles market, as it was then, would have been treated to something less crisp?

Less discerning clientele?

My UK copy of In The Long Grass is shockingly thin. It is little better than a flexi disc, and it's not the only LP I have which is so bad. My copy of Sound Affects has a plastic centre like a single, luckily I don't need the jukebox adapter. One of the big reasons UK (and European) pressings sound worse is they used recycled vinyl whereas Japan (and possibly the US) used virgin vinyl.

http://www.vinylrevinyl.com/2008/08/27/the-best-vinyl-180g-and-200g-virgin-vinyl/

That said the new pressings of old albums ain't necessarily great either. My 180g copy of Sound Affects (that album again) sounds like dogsh!te cos it wasn't engineered properly. So rather than cutting the acetate appropriate to the length of the sides, the lazy cnut of an engineer just left the cut tight resulting in an inadequate groove separation so you get that echo effect of the preceding and next part of the song which wasn't present on the original. The run off is big enough to put a 7" single in. My UK Mondo Bongo is unlistenable in parts thanks to this. Fall Down is ruined by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record#Groove

So to get a good LP you need virgin vinyl and a good engineer which seems to be something the Japanese excelled in.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

I must be sad cos this really turns me on...

I guess the red is the three character translation of The Boomtown Rats!

Mike menzies · V Deep

I also have a yugoslavian( I think it is ) best of lp & this is superb sound quality so you're probably right about UK vinyl

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Of course, there is no need for the Rats to reissue any of their LPs because the remasters were so poor and they'd only use them for the new LPs. Blondie are the latest band to be guilty of this along with, gasp, photocopied covers.
Anyway, The Clash London Calling LP reissue looks as good as the original. Just hope it sounds as good.

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:

Less discerning clientele?
My UK copy of In The Long Grass is shockingly thin. It is little better than a flexi disc, and it's not the only LP I have which is so bad. My copy of Sound Affects has a plastic centre like a single, luckily I don't need the jukebox adapter. One of the big reasons UK (and European) pressings sound worse is they used recycled vinyl whereas Japan (and possibly the US) used virgin vinyl.
http://www.vinylrevinyl.com/2008/08/27/the-best-vinyl-180g-and-200g-virgin-vinyl/
That said the new pressings of old albums ain't necessarily great either. My 180g copy of Sound Affects (that album again) sounds like dogsh!te cos it wasn't engineered properly. So rather than cutting the acetate appropriate to the length of the sides, the lazy cnut of an engineer just left the cut tight resulting in an inadequate groove separation so you get that echo effect of the preceding and next part of the song which wasn't present on the original. The run off is big enough to put a 7" single in. My UK Mondo Bongo is unlistenable in parts thanks to this. Fall Down is ruined by it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record#Groove
So to get a good LP you need virgin vinyl and a good engineer which seems to be something the Japanese excelled in.

Fascinating stuff/links - thanks