JoanOfArc wrote:

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there's no voice in the media it seems of the young people

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lame music

what the hell is going on there eh? wanky rubbish music around today!!! surely we're not seeing the best?? where is the deep thought? where's the soul?

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How would you know if all you do is watch food shows on the old codger's media of TV?  

There is plenty of good music out there and plenty of people, young and old, expressing opinions.    They are all using new fangled things called the interweb and coffee shops.  What is the world coming to when people can freely express their opinions without going on TV to have them sanitised?

Tango wrote:

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If young people weren't making political music, one of the biggest hits of the past 2 years wouldn't have been Hozier's Take Me To Church.
The battles have changed, pop music is getting more and more filled with feminist lyrics, most of the politics can be found in black hiphop, grime is on the up again, you've got brilliant asian artists like Swami Baracus and Asian Dub Foundation, believe me, there is plenty of political music, but where do you expect to hear it? Just googling "political music" isn't going to get you very far, as the internet is full of whinging middle aged journalists expecting the music to somehow come to them, when the music isn't actually MADE for them.
The music industry has changed, there is no TOTP for surprise hits to appear on, the best chance you've got of hearing any of this is on the crazy late night 6 Music shows, and even then if you're lucky. But it is out there, it's just that music for young people tends to be found in young people's spaces. Being 24, I just about manage to still find it.
You've also got to be really bloody good to get heard in the media now, because there's so much stuff out there being bombarded at broadcasters. Let's be honest, you didn't have to be very good to be a punk band in the 70s and get heard. And anyway, politics is looping, so with such a ready collection of old stuff to listen that talks about much the same economic situations, why would there be a huge glut of new artists bothering to repeat the same things?
If you're looking for something that sounds roughly like the music I suspect you're reminiscing about, try Grace Petrie. She's great, and nailing it to this Government daily.

Anyway, John Robb put it better than I can in the wake of Bowie's death. He may be an old git himself, but he's tuned.
"All over the world there is art challenging the status quo as much as there was art that didnt challenge the status quo in the seventies. This debate is well worn now but rose tinted spectacles are changing the narrative. This notion that the battles have all been fought may be true if you are older and more comfortable in your skin but even if the world has partly moved on from the stuffy sixties that made even having Beatle hair seem like an act of revolution there are still battles being fought and still cultural icons fighting these battles that as on older person you wont even notice.
That the way of pop culture. It has a nasty habit of slipping away from you and becoming someone elses soundtrack and leaving you as parent culture older and out of touch and telling the assembled youth it was better in my day"
louderthanwar.com/the-death-of-bowie-does-not-mean-the-death-of-pop-culture/

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 sure was better in my day, you didn't have student fees at £9k a year for starters.

ArrGee wrote:

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JoanOfArc wrote:

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all the teenagers of the 60s and 70s have turned out to be lame wanky pathetic drivelly old codgerish twonks

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I guess you became a teen in the 1980s then.  I'm happy to be a coffin dodging old codger.  

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 I became a teenager in 1980 ArrGee

what about all the songs about peace and revolution?? what are the singers doing now?  sitting in their mansions counting their money or dead.

JoanOfArc wrote:

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Tango wrote:

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If young people weren't making political music, one of the biggest hits of the past 2 years wouldn't have been Hozier's Take Me To Church.
The battles have changed, pop music is getting more and more filled with feminist lyrics, most of the politics can be found in black hiphop, grime is on the up again, you've got brilliant asian artists like Swami Baracus and Asian Dub Foundation, believe me, there is plenty of political music, but where do you expect to hear it? Just googling "political music" isn't going to get you very far, as the internet is full of whinging middle aged journalists expecting the music to somehow come to them, when the music isn't actually MADE for them.
The music industry has changed, there is no TOTP for surprise hits to appear on, the best chance you've got of hearing any of this is on the crazy late night 6 Music shows, and even then if you're lucky. But it is out there, it's just that music for young people tends to be found in young people's spaces. Being 24, I just about manage to still find it.
You've also got to be really bloody good to get heard in the media now, because there's so much stuff out there being bombarded at broadcasters. Let's be honest, you didn't have to be very good to be a punk band in the 70s and get heard. And anyway, politics is looping, so with such a ready collection of old stuff to listen that talks about much the same economic situations, why would there be a huge glut of new artists bothering to repeat the same things?
If you're looking for something that sounds roughly like the music I suspect you're reminiscing about, try Grace Petrie. She's great, and nailing it to this Government daily.

Anyway, John Robb put it better than I can in the wake of Bowie's death. He may be an old git himself, but he's tuned.
"All over the world there is art challenging the status quo as much as there was art that didnt challenge the status quo in the seventies. This debate is well worn now but rose tinted spectacles are changing the narrative. This notion that the battles have all been fought may be true if you are older and more comfortable in your skin but even if the world has partly moved on from the stuffy sixties that made even having Beatle hair seem like an act of revolution there are still battles being fought and still cultural icons fighting these battles that as on older person you wont even notice.
That the way of pop culture. It has a nasty habit of slipping away from you and becoming someone elses soundtrack and leaving you as parent culture older and out of touch and telling the assembled youth it was better in my day"
louderthanwar.com/the-death-of-bowie-does-not-mean-the-death-of-pop-culture/

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 sure was better in my day, you didn't have student fees at £9k a year for starters.

 

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Our current political chinwaggers might be trying to kid us that it's 1983 but nonetheless I'll stick to the 21st century where I've at least got the same rights as my straight mates, tar.

As for the revolution, unless musicians start standing for elected office or leading violent revolutions, all they can do is inspire other people. That's what they're there for. Obviously that's easier if they're not just talking the talk, but given the major invasion of privacy on most aging rockers, I can't say I blame them for choosing the big chunks of land where they can hide from the paps, somehow.

Jules wrote:

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Some things were better back then, some things are better now.

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 Always so reasonable, Jules 

Tango wrote:

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JoanOfArc wrote:

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Tango wrote:

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If young people weren't making political music, one of the biggest hits of the past 2 years wouldn't have been Hozier's Take Me To Church.
The battles have changed, pop music is getting more and more filled with feminist lyrics, most of the politics can be found in black hiphop, grime is on the up again, you've got brilliant asian artists like Swami Baracus and Asian Dub Foundation, believe me, there is plenty of political music, but where do you expect to hear it? Just googling "political music" isn't going to get you very far, as the internet is full of whinging middle aged journalists expecting the music to somehow come to them, when the music isn't actually MADE for them.
The music industry has changed, there is no TOTP for surprise hits to appear on, the best chance you've got of hearing any of this is on the crazy late night 6 Music shows, and even then if you're lucky. But it is out there, it's just that music for young people tends to be found in young people's spaces. Being 24, I just about manage to still find it.
You've also got to be really bloody good to get heard in the media now, because there's so much stuff out there being bombarded at broadcasters. Let's be honest, you didn't have to be very good to be a punk band in the 70s and get heard. And anyway, politics is looping, so with such a ready collection of old stuff to listen that talks about much the same economic situations, why would there be a huge glut of new artists bothering to repeat the same things?
If you're looking for something that sounds roughly like the music I suspect you're reminiscing about, try Grace Petrie. She's great, and nailing it to this Government daily.

Anyway, John Robb put it better than I can in the wake of Bowie's death. He may be an old git himself, but he's tuned.
"All over the world there is art challenging the status quo as much as there was art that didnt challenge the status quo in the seventies. This debate is well worn now but rose tinted spectacles are changing the narrative. This notion that the battles have all been fought may be true if you are older and more comfortable in your skin but even if the world has partly moved on from the stuffy sixties that made even having Beatle hair seem like an act of revolution there are still battles being fought and still cultural icons fighting these battles that as on older person you wont even notice.
That the way of pop culture. It has a nasty habit of slipping away from you and becoming someone elses soundtrack and leaving you as parent culture older and out of touch and telling the assembled youth it was better in my day"
louderthanwar.com/the-death-of-bowie-does-not-mean-the-death-of-pop-culture/

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 sure was better in my day, you didn't have student fees at £9k a year for starters.

 

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Our current political chinwaggers might be trying to kid us that it's 1983 but nonetheless I'll stick to the 21st century where I've at least got the same rights as my straight mates, tar.

As for the revolution, unless musicians start standing for elected office or leading violent revolutions, all they can do is inspire other people. That's what they're there for. Obviously that's easier if they're not just talking the talk, but given the major invasion of privacy on most aging rockers, I can't say I blame them for choosing the big chunks of land where they can hide from the paps, somehow.

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 you make very valid points tango and i'm not going to disagree with you on the fantastic milestones that have been made with gay rights like rights to marry and stuff like that.  for sure.

i'm not actually suggesting that things are worse now than they were in all aspects.  i actually had a **** time growing up in my teens, the internet wasn't around and i was sooo lonely and isolated by the time i hit my late teens with barely any friends to speak of.  thank god for the internet.  the world doesn't have to be quite so lonely.  all there seemed to be where i was growing up was sports clubs (haha not the type) and the pub, cept you needed to have friends to go the pub in the first place.  yeh pretty orrible life in those days.

so as jules so wisely said, some things are better.  but other things are worse. the gap between the rich and poor is widening, things like the majority of the wealth being in an ever smaller percentage of the world's population's hands.  the selling off of chunks of the NHS, the homogenisation of areas in terms of jobs.  the dwindling manufacturing industries and places in the UK where there are fewer jobs than ever due to entire industries being closed down and no jobs to replace them elsewhere.

just to name a few.

homoegnisation of high streets.  the small guys getting stamped out by the big conglomerates.

the dumbing down and stifling of people through **** tv shows through **** media reporting through lousey education in schools.......  making sure kids aren't confident in their education to one day make a difference. individualism, creativity. all are owned by the big corporates.

there is no people, only giant corporations making mince meat out of us.