Citizens of Boomtown - Out 13th March 2020

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Citizens of Boomtown - The new LP - September 2019?

Noel · Dave

ArrGee wrote:
Noel wrote:
Rats Fan wrote:
Update about citizens of Boomtown today on the Facebook page. I'm really excited for the release (I know everybody's going to slag off the EP and say it better not be like that), but after 35 years to have a new album by The Boomtown Rats is an amazing thing. I hope it gets embraced. Geldof's last solo album was fantastic. The Rats have been in blistering live form since the reunion in 2013. I'd love to hear what a new record will sound like.
Re the ep everybody was just giving an honest opinion and the vast majority felt very disappointed with it, including me. Frankly it was the weakest thing they've ever done,
Possibly the weakest thing any band has done since The Beatles inflicted Yellow Submarine on an unsuspecting public.
And if anyone thinks Geldofs last album was fantastic, they need to buy another record.
I havent seen and heard Rats live since 2015, but they were in blistering form back then. Hopefully they do some London dates in the next few months.

The titular song is rubbish but album had great tracks like Hey Bulldog and Only a Northern Song as well as All You Need is Love.

The movie is mind blowing esp remastered version released a few years ago. Certainly on my recemmond list. Who needs drugs when you can watch this? smile

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:
The titular song is rubbish but album had great tracks like Hey Bulldog and Only a Northern Song as well as All You Need is Love.
The movie is mind blowing esp remastered version released a few years ago. Certainly on my recemmond list. Who needs drugs when you can watch this?

Carnt recemmond (sic) drugs eidder, they fcuk up your spellin.

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

I do think Geldof's last record contained some of his most effective lyrics 'sniffing the cooling air like an old dog' and many other vivid poetic lines. The record is varied but has a consistent feel and was critically well-received even if it didn't sell in over-whelming numbers. Dazzled By You was a particularly beautiful number and hows his continued development as a writer. It's a fine love song and a difficult sentiment to express. I was very encouraged by his last solo record and I'm looking forward to this new Rats album. With regards to the advice to 'buy another record' if you think it's fantastic. I have already done so thousand of them. Thanks.

Derek The Dane · V Deep

According to Pete Briquette on facebook, "singles to be released in September". When asked about "singles" he replied no spelling mistake. So can we expect a couple of singles before the album release in September?.

Noel · Dave

Derek The Dane wrote:
According to Pete Briquette on facebook, "singles to be released in September". When asked about "singles" he replied no spelling mistake. So can we expect a couple of singles before the album release in September?.

Pete also said that the video (presumably for the first single) was in post production and that he was happy with how it turned out. I would guess there will be a couple of singles released before the album. Maybe Pete is saying one will be released around the start of September and the next one towards the end of the month.Not sure really.

First one should basically be saying 'the Rats are back...remember how good we were'. it has to get some decent attention and radio play, YouTube hits, probably Geldof doing lots of interviews and shooting his mouth off and getting into trouble (nothing new here!)

After testing the water with the first single a follow up should be announced close to the album release date. Obviously a tour to promote the album seems inevitable. Hopefully if the album is well received then the gigs will sell out. Anyway the new songs will make a change and add a bit of spice to the Rats. Just like starting over in some sense and here's to the Indian Summer of the bands career.

Funny was just thinking that Never In a Million Years was released in Dec 1981 as first single off V Deep and the album only came out in mid April 1982 after House on Fire became a minor hit around March 82.

-- Edited by Noel on Wednesday 17th of July 2019 12:15:30 PM

-- Edited by Noel on Wednesday 17th of July 2019 12:16:42 PM

Mark L · Loudmouth

All looking promising.

Traditionally, didn't an album always come out around the time of its second single?

-- Edited by Mark L on Wednesday 17th of July 2019 07:24:44 PM

Mike menzies · V Deep

Love go man go I have this now on single thanks to someone on the forum. Brilliant song should've been a single in uk think it was overlooked it would've done well after elephants say a month or two later just my opinion

Mike menzies · V Deep

Sos about comment above meant to go on different topic had a senior moment

Derek The Dane · V Deep

I really do not understand the lack of promotion about the new album. Without Pete Briquette we would know NOTHING.Think about this,
NOTHING ON BOB GELDOF OFFICIAL PAGE
NOTHING ON BOOMTOWNRATS.CO.UK
NOTHING ON BOOMTOWN RATS OFFICIAL PAGE ON FACEBOOK
NOTHING FROM AMAZON,ITUNES,HMV,SPOTIFY ETC ETC
NOTHING FROM BMG(WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIGNED THE BOOMTOWN RATS)
NO PROMOS ANYWHERE
NO INTERVIEWS

Sorry but if the new album is coming in September it will be here within 60 days,surely we will hear something official soon?.

Mike menzies · V Deep

I totally agree with you derek they seem to be dragging their heels with this. I am assuming it's going ahead especially the fact they have supposedly recorded a promo video for this in June so very confused at the moment even if they delay if they could just be honest with us and tellus

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Its a fair cop guv

Mark L · Loudmouth

Agree Derek. Like you, I check everywhere especially at the beginning of the month, but there is just no information and that's baffling if the album is going to be released next month, preceded by singles. If Pete Bremain could update, we would be grateful, rather than opining about the wrongs of Brexit all the time. We're only the fans after all! Some have spent thousands over the years supporting the Rats. Thanks in advance for any info.....

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:
I really do not understand the lack of promotion about the new album. Without Pete Briquette we would know NOTHING.Think about this,
NOTHING ON BOB GELDOF OFFICIAL PAGE
NOTHING ON BOOMTOWNRATS.CO.UK
NOTHING ON BOOMTOWN RATS OFFICIAL PAGE ON FACEBOOK
NOTHING FROM AMAZON,ITUNES,HMV,SPOTIFY ETC ETC
NOTHING FROM BMG(WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIGNED THE BOOMTOWN RATS)
NO PROMOS ANYWHERE
NO INTERVIEWS

Sorry but if the new album is coming in September it will be here within 60 days,surely we will hear something official soon?.

Hang on there fella, this was broken on this forum, well before Pete Bremain mentioned anything. If you want to credit anyone then credit Pete Barton. He sent the email.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Some have spent thousands over the years supporting the Rats. Thanks in advance for any info.....

I wonder how much I have spent. Probably not 1000s, but definitely 100s.

But like Geldof, I give my time...

I pay all my taxes, my time? Is that not a tax?

PS - I pay all my taxes, though I do my damnedest to pay as little as I possibly can!

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

I suspect that the album publicity will start next week to coincide with the Boomtown festival and the attendant confusion.

Noel · Dave

Piece in today's Spectator featuring Geldof but no mention of music. Uk edition has paywall but US works for free.

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Some have spent thousands over the years supporting the Rats. Thanks in advance for any info.....
I wonder how much I have spent. Probably not 1000s, but definitely 100s.
But like Geldof, I give my time...
I pay all my taxes, my time? Is that not a tax?

PS - I pay all my taxes, though I do my damnedest to pay as little as I possibly can!

Same, hundreds but I was thinking in terms of Suss and Derek and others. Don't get me wrong, I have derived much pleasure for my money since 78 and regard it as money well spent for entertainment purposes. But without the fans......

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
I suspect that the album publicity will start next week to coincide with the Boomtown festival and the attendant confusion.

That had occurred to me.

Noel · Dave

https://spectator.us/chatting-bob-geldof-boris/

Spectator article 1 August 2019

Not sure if/why link is not working, posting from Samsung tablet. Article not very enlightening anyway. smile

-- Edited by Noel on Friday 2nd of August 2019 11:26:00 AM

Noel · Dave

Mark L wrote:
Agree Derek. Like you, I check everywhere especially at the beginning of the month, but there is just no information and that's baffling if the album is going to be released next month, preceded by singles. If Pete Bremain could update, we would be grateful, rather than opining about the wrongs of Brexit all the time. We're only the fans after all! Some have spent thousands over the years supporting the Rats. Thanks in advance for any info.....

Pete seems more concerned about Brexit than the music. Is he expecting millionaire pop stars having to queue at food banks or what? smile

Mark L · Loudmouth

Pete Bremain and Bob (the question back to the people again) Geldof would like to have called the album No Exit until they were told Blondie got there already in the late 90s.

A source says.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Some have spent thousands over the years supporting the Rats. Thanks in advance for any info.....
I wonder how much I have spent. Probably not 1000s, but definitely 100s.
Same, hundreds but I was thinking in terms of Suss and Derek and others. Don't get me wrong, I have derived much pleasure for my money since 78 and regard it as money well spent for entertainment purposes. But without the fans......

A dozen or so gigs, half a dozen LPs, a few compilation CDs, about 20 singles, T-shirts, a few books, the odd poster. And all the Gung~Ho, Cott and Geldof solo stuff. Plus a Kirsty MacColl CD.

Have to discount some freebies and presents in that, hard to believe I would have spent more than £1000. Fingers might get a couple of coffees out of it.

They have no need of cheapskate fans like me!

Noel · Dave

Wish they would just release some music. Politics is just so devicive.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:
Wish they would just release some music.

To be honest, I am totally indifferent about it. Release an LP, don't release an LP, way beyond caring. And not just Boomtown Rats, it holds for pretty much every band. Must be an age thing. There is enough good music from the past, so little need for anymore. Was listening to Dogrel by Fontaines DC, and didn't give a monkey's about it. I think the last new LP I liked was Royal Blood debut LP which was 5 years ago!

Upcoming gigs...

The Damned
Squeeze + Heaven 17
From The Jam + Vapors

Last week

Tom Robinson Band(s)

Just like 1979 all over again!

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

I'm hoping perhaps there is a publicity blitz. Promotion is difficult to organise and it takes a long time to set up. There are few avenues for music performance on British TV anymore. With the exception of The One Show and Jools Holland, there are very few places. Jools Holland only has two short run series each year. Graham Norton and Jonathan Ross are only once a week and there again not all year around. It is just worrying because already the record company will be thinking towards Christmas releases and it's a concern the boomtown rats might get swallowed up. I think to an extent, record sales are so poor these days that high profile media appearances to raise awareness and some good critical notices will help to sell ticket sales. If they are hoping to tour with the new record then these things need to be in place

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Rats Fan wrote:
If they are hoping to tour with the new record then these things need to be in place

I wonder if they would tour the new material. Been 5 years since they did a proper UK tour and they just had the quietest summer since Geldof and Bremain rejoined. Just one corporate gig where the punters paid more for a ticket than I have in a lifetime of Rat watching and listening.

Anyway, unlikely to be a tour happening this year as most venues seem to announcing 2020 gigs.

Noel · Dave

ArrGee wrote:
Noel wrote:
Wish they would just release some music.
To be honest, I am totally indifferent about it. Release an LP, don't release an LP, way beyond caring. And not just Boomtown Rats, it holds for pretty much every band. Must be an age thing. There is enough good music from the past, so little need for anymore. Was listening to Dogrel by Fontaines DC, and didn't give a monkey's about it. I think the last new LP I liked was Royal Blood debut LP which was 5 years ago!
Upcoming gigs...
The Damned
Squeeze + Heaven 17
From The Jam + Vapors
Last week
Tom Robinson Band(s)
Just like 1979 all over again!

The Rats aren't just a matter of life or death, they are much more important than that smile

I'm really intrigued as to how it will sound,lots of questions to be answered. Of course in the end it's not that important.Its a bigger deal to someone who considers the Rats his/her all time favourite band.

I'm kinda feeling very indifferent about new Premier League season.

The new Peter Perrett album is very good, Only Ones being one of my favourite bands. I'm hoping the Rats can do something like that in not embarrassing their reputation. Generally I never tire of music because there are just so many ways to approach the subject and I'm always discovering new,interesting stuff.

-- Edited by Noel on Friday 2nd of August 2019 07:24:52 PM

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:
I'm kinda feeling very indifferent about new Premier League season.

Me too. Not a patch on the Hurling this year. I go to Orient these days, far more exciting and cheaper. Enjoyed the cricket and looking forward to the Rugby World Cup.

Derek The Dane · V Deep

I'm kinda feeling very indifferent about new Premier League season.

You are not the only ones,I am not really that bothered with it.

Also you mentioned Pete Barton and strangly when you go onto the rock artist management website and click onto the boomtown rats nothing happens.

Mark L · Loudmouth

I've never really cared about football, only getting interested like many when England begins to look like it's doing well in a major international tournament.

I am interested in the Rats though, which is why I suppose like others on here, I'm getting a bit uppity about this album and the continuous delays and lack of information /promo news. If I didn't care, I wouldn't log on and say anything. It's illogical really, because deep down I know it will be nothing like Tonic or Surfacing and there will never be the associated excitement of the times, the late 70s, the feeling you were part of it and this was your group, the pride and the passion of it all, the feeling of immortality a 13/14 year old has.

For all his opining on the digital world, and it's growing importance and domination etc, Bob (the question back to the people) Geldof shows no interest whatsoever in applying it to his own group. He talks about the same energy and the songs are so relevant etc etc but seemingly refuses to harness or engage the media of 2019 in the same way he did the media of 40 years ago.

So we are bereft of information and rely on titbits and scraps of FB tittle tattle that more often than not come to nothing, from Pete Bremain and Barton. Geldof simply does not need the money. He got rich, got famous and got laid. The hunger is not there. Us mere mortals can hang on just as long as he wants, and must be grateful for whatever stalling titbits he authorises Pete Bremain to release.

Know our place.

Mike menzies · V Deep

I totally agreeing you Mark they seem to be gagging about with this albumin is annoying as there a no pressure on them like there was when itlg came out so I dnt see what they are waiting for

Derek The Dane · V Deep

Album now delayed to Feb 2020,but the singles will still be released in September. Something to do with the documentry release just before the album.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:
Album now delayed to Feb 2020,but the singles will still be released in September. Something to do with the documentary release just before the album.

Nice - will let missus know, she never knows what to buy for my birthday. Also handy singles are out first cos if they are sub-standard I can give the LP a wide berth.

Also on that basis, I can safely cancel Netflix at the end of the summer break.

Derek The Dane · V Deep

Citizens of Boomtown - The new LP - February 2020?

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:

As the sad git collector freak that I am it gives me time to buy the singles first then go nuts when the album comes out.Hope the first single is good though,I do not want 5-6 months of waiting for an album after a sucky sucky single.

Do you think you will be able to buy physical singles? I suspect they will be stream-able on spotify, amazon, deezer, tidal et al. Even since the Ratsh!t ep (almost 6 years ago!) things have moved on. Downloads are so 20th century, even iTunes is closing down.

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Hope you can buy the album. If it ever come's out. I'm stuck in the past. I like to buy the thing's. Here's hoping Its not to long now. But you have a point thing's have moved on

Mike menzies · V Deep

I totally agree I love the physical album when stuff is streamed to me I lose the magic thats just my opinion I look forward to any format a long as it comes out

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Gatefold 12 inch 180g LP with wav download code otherwise im not buying it.

Mike menzies · V Deep

That would be great I love playing vinyl as still in hope of them releasing this on l.p. &CD as well as streaming

Noel · Dave

Pete on Facebook says album will be worth the wait. I'd say maybe two singles will be released before Christmas and one around Jan/Feb. That's just my guess. Maybe some ep's with some of the alleged 26 songs Geldof claimed the band recorded.

Hope they have some good b sides that are not on album as in the glory days.

It's a real pain having to wait but with so much time to get it right maybe something pretty decent is on the cards.

Noel · Dave

Pete on Facebook says album will be worth the wait. I'd say maybe two singles will be released before Christmas and one around Jan/Feb. That's just my guess. Maybe some ep's with some of the alleged 26 songs Geldof claimed the band recorded.

Hope they have some good b sides that are not on album as in the glory days.

It's a real pain having to wait but with so much time to get it right maybe something pretty decent is on the cards.

Mark L · Loudmouth

More delaying tactics and titbits! We will see......

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:
Pete on Facebook says album will be worth the wait.

He would write that. Hes hardly gonna say we are saving you six months of misery by releasing it in February next year

Mike menzies · V Deep

I still think the ratlife do was great 3out of4 are superb only ratified was poor in my humble opinion of the new stuff a as good as the world's it will be great and worth the wait

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Yeah to be fair was not a bad wee ep

Mark L · Loudmouth

Back to Boomtown was decent. The rest was very poor. Worse than Charmed Lives.

Derek The Dane · V Deep

I cannot see the first single being released in September. There is only 6 weeks until September is over and unless something massive happens all of a sudden.

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Maybe the delay is with the record company Cos I'm sure Geldof has written a lot of songs in the last ten years so he would not have to dig deep into this pile just depends on what he thinks are rats songs or solo songs for him at one stage wasn't he taking about bringing out a new solo album might be like a bus wait along time for one to come and two come along at the same time

Derek The Dane · V Deep

The Boomtown Rats were in the recording studio back in 2017,even I never thought we would have to wait over two and a half years to hear it.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:
The Boomtown Rats were in the recording studio back in 2017,even I never thought we would have to wait over two and a half years to hear it.

Even longer than the usual 9 year Geldof Cycle

1992 - Happy Club
2001 - SAD
2010 - How to Decompose
2020? - CoB

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Derek The Dane wrote:
The Boomtown Rats were in the recording studio back in 2017,even I never thought we would have to wait over two and a half years to hear it.
Even longer than the usual 9 year Geldof Cycle
1992 - Happy Club
2001 - SAD
2010 - How to Decompose
2020? - CoB

This must be what he meant in the late 80s about getting back to doing what he loves most and what's on his passport.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

The gaps between LPs is longer than the entire recording career of The Fingers Rats (September 1977- May 1984) 6 LPs in a mere 7 years.

(Calling it the Fingers Rats to avoid confusion with the current line up which did make a recording)

Derek The Dane · V Deep

Single now to be released mid October.

Mike menzies · V Deep

Do we know if this is a definite or just speculation as there seems no news about anything from their sites etc

Noel · Dave

Mike menzies wrote:
Do we know if this is a definite or just speculation as there seems no news about anything from their sites etc

Pete Briquette in response to Derek's query on PB's Facebook says mid October is the latest scheduled release date. This is how this great band works. No explainations, no proper relationship with fans, no communication or social media updates, no imagination on how to cultivate a fanbase. What other band would treat there fans with such indifference?

.

Mike menzies · V Deep

Noel I totally agree with you we have been loyal to the. All these years just a little info now and again would go a long way I wish they would just occasionally post on their website or even the forum to let us know what's going on

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:

Pete Briquette in response to Derek's query on PB's Facebook says mid October is the latest scheduled release date. This is how this great band works. No explainations, no proper relationship with fans, no communication or social media updates, no imagination on how to cultivate a fanbase. What other band would treat there fans with such indifference?

Plenty. The way to cultivate a fan base is to make good music and tour. Anything else is a bonus. In fact, fair play to Pete Bremain to take the time to reply. He doesnt have to.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mike menzies wrote:
...post on their website or even the forum to let us know what's going on

The website is NOT run by The Rats. BTR aka Chris is the owner http://www.boomtownrats.co.uk/contact-us.html, but he seems to have slipped off the radar
The forum (well maybe just me, truth be told) has been disowned by Geldofs management in no uncertain terms.

So if you want to get the latest on the LP go and bother Pete Bremain on his Facebook page

Noel · Dave

ArrGee wrote:
Noel wrote:
Pete Briquette in response to Derek's query on PB's Facebook says mid October is the latest scheduled release date. This is how this great band works. No explainations, no proper relationship with fans, no communication or social media updates, no imagination on how to cultivate a fanbase. What other band would treat there fans with such indifference?
Plenty. The way to cultivate a fan base is to make good music and tour. Anything else is a bonus. In fact, fair play to Pete Bremain to take the time to reply. He doesnt have to.

Anyway Pete gets off the hook by making an interesting claim about album so I'm no longer p#$ed off.

Who was it said that rock stars are not your friends? smile

-- Edited by Noel on Saturday 31st of August 2019 01:46:24 PM

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Noel wrote:

Anyway Pete gets off the hook by making an interesting claim about album so I'm no longer p#$ed off.

Who was it said that rock stars are not your friends? smile

I dont have any rock star friends, but again it is good of him to reply. Many musicians wouldnt.

Mark L · Loudmouth

The Rats just seem to be in synch with or mirror the Brexit delays all the time. Will either of them happen?

Mark L · Loudmouth

Pete Bremain and Bob the question back to the people Geldof will be pleased that the supposedly neutral umpire of Parliament, John Bercow, continues providing Remain MPs with the platform and the power to stymie the vote for Brexit. What these people are really saying is, Boriss proroguing of parliament is a disgraceful attack on democracy because it hampers the ability of MPs to continue attacking democracy

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Pete Bremain and Bob the question back to the people Geldof will be pleased that the supposedly neutral umpire of Parliament, John Bercow, continues providing Remain MPs with the platform and the power to stymie the vote for Brexit. What these people are really saying is, Boriss proroguing of parliament is a disgraceful attack on democracy because it hampers the ability of MPs to continue attacking democracy

It has all gone too far. The whole point of a parliament is to have elected representatives represent the electorate. Not to have a five week break whilst on the verge of the most important deadline so far this century and not to turf out MPs that don't toe the party line on your FIRST vote as a PM. Ironic that the UK politburo has been created by the right wing. Over three years after the electorate voted to leave in an advisory referendum and we have ended up with BoJo the clown as prime minister. If only I knew then what I know now. Gov.uk is not fit for purpose, so best let them copy and paste EU directives.

Mark L · Loudmouth

Normally, referenda are advisory but David Cameron's Govt made clear they would enact the result. I voted Leave on this basis, as well as for other reasons, and I expect the result to be respected. Parliament was not going to sit anyway for 3 weeks due to the party conference season, so we're talking about an extra 4 or 5 days only. However, I agree turfing out the likes of Hammond, Clarke, Soames et al was too severe. It's also counter productive and makes a Tory majority less likely in the event of an Election.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Normally, referenda are advisory but David Cameron's Govt made clear they would enact the result. I voted Leave on this basis, as well as for other reasons, and I expect the result to be respected.

I just want the least bad outcome now (all outcomes are now going to be bad), which is almost anyone but BoJo, Trotsky or Farage as PM. Even if that means staying in the EU.

I thought at the outset the UK would never leave the EU, and I still don't believe it will happen. I have more belief in a new Rats LP.

Mark L · Loudmouth

There had been questioning of the UKs participation in the EU in the past, particularly from the Labour Party in 83, irony of ironies! Now look at them! Those leftie EU protesters, wrapped in ridiculous EU flags, against prorogation say Boris is being undemocratic. But aren't they the undemocratic ones, trying to thwart Brexit and remain in the EU against the will of the people. It was a 52:48 Leave win was it not?

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
There had been questioning of the UKs participation in the EU in the past, particularly from the Labour Party in 83, irony of ironies! Now look at them! Those leftie EU protesters, wrapped in ridiculous EU flags, against prorogation say Boris is being undemocratic. But aren't they the undemocratic ones, trying to thwart Brexit and remain in the EU against the will of the people. It was a 52:48 Leave win was it not?

Yesterday was a bad day for democracy in the UK. The main reason I voted leave was the undemocratic nature of the EU. And now it is replicated in the UK. I didnt vote for BoJo the clown to be in charge.

Ultimately the referendum was advisory and many voted based on untruths on both sides, so whilst I still want to leave the EU, I am not convinced that after over three years of blundering that gov.uk is capable of governing without been told what to do by the EU. Time for a bit of honesty from gov.uk. They should admit that they never had a plan to leave the EU and they still dont.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Normally, referenda are advisory but David Cameron's Govt made clear they would enact the result.

Some like the Scotch referendum compel the government to enact. However leaving the EU was advisory and whatever Cameron said at the time, it is still advisory after two other PMs.

-- Edited by ArrGee on Wednesday 4th of September 2019 07:43:28 PM

Mark L · Loudmouth

Given that the meaning of the French Revolution is still debated and contested, it's no surprise the 2016 EU referendum is still argued about. It was not legally binding as the Act setting it up didn't say it would be. However, it is politically binding, as the leaflet sent to me by HM Government (can you believe they were campaigning for Remain back then) said the result would be implemented. I have it still. 'The Government will implement what you decide'.

The Government therefore has no place to reverse their promise.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Given that the meaning of the French Revolution is still debated and contested, it's no surprise the 2016 EU referendum is still argued about. It was not legally binding as the Act setting it up didn't say it would be. However, it is politically binding, as the leaflet sent to me by HM Government (can you believe they were campaigning for Remain back then) said the result would be implemented. I have it still. 'The Government will implement what you decide'.
The Government therefore has no place to reverse their promise.

Governments reversing promises, surely not! What was decided? The problem I have is that whilst I do want to leave the EU, I don't want to leave that much that it results in Trotsky being prime minister. So my response on the ballot paper was always qualified. I expressed a preference, but if I had been told how things would develop over the next three years, I would have voted to remain on the basis that gov.uk is incapable of implementing what was decided.

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Given that the meaning of the French Revolution is still debated and contested, it's no surprise the 2016 EU referendum is still argued about. It was not legally binding as the Act setting it up didn't say it would be. However, it is politically binding, as the leaflet sent to me by HM Government (can you believe they were campaigning for Remain back then) said the result would be implemented. I have it still. 'The Government will implement what you decide'.
The Government therefore has no place to reverse their promise.
Governments reversing promises, surely not! What was decided? The problem I have is that whilst I do want to leave the EU, I don't want to leave that much that it results in Trotsky being prime minister. So my response on the ballot paper was always qualified. I expressed a preference, but if I had been told how things would develop over the next three years, I would have voted to remain on the basis that gov.uk is incapable of implementing what was decided.

Agree, they have no place reversing promises, but all Governments have a record of doing so. Don't make it right. Agree, Corbyn becoming PM would be more disastrous than a No Deal Brexit. I still would have voted Leave. Never thought it would be easy. But it will have to be implemented. The alternative I feel would be mass civil disobedience. As there will be if Citizens of Boomtown release is reversed. Well, me, Noel, Mike and Derek will rant for a week or so.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
The alternative I feel would be mass civil disobedience. As there will be if Citizens of Boomtown release is reversed. Well, me, Noel, Mike and Derek will rant for a week or so.

I reckon most people will shrug their shoulders and carry on. A bit like I have with the Rats LP

But going back to the EU, as things stand, no deal is off the table and the current withdrawal deal has been rejected. BoJo is not negotiating at present and would have no majority for any last minute deal he did negotiate unless he can win a majority at a General Election that Trotsky won't agree to and that Farage will scupper unless BoJo agrees to no deal.

So like the Rats LP, further delay is the only option...

Noel · Dave

Mark L wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Given that the meaning of the French Revolution is still debated and contested, it's no surprise the 2016 EU referendum is still argued about. It was not legally binding as the Act setting it up didn't say it would be. However, it is politically binding, as the leaflet sent to me by HM Government (can you believe they were campaigning for Remain back then) said the result would be implemented. I have it still. 'The Government will implement what you decide'.
The Government therefore has no place to reverse their promise.
Governments reversing promises, surely not! What was decided? The problem I have is that whilst I do want to leave the EU, I don't want to leave that much that it results in Trotsky being prime minister. So my response on the ballot paper was always qualified. I expressed a preference, but if I had been told how things would develop over the next three years, I would have voted to remain on the basis that gov.uk is incapable of implementing what was decided.
Agree, they have no place reversing promises, but all Governments have a record of doing so. Don't make it right. Agree, Corbyn becoming PM would be more disastrous than a No Deal Brexit. I still would have voted Leave. Never thought it would be easy. But it will have to be implemented. The alternative I feel would be mass civil disobedience. As there will be if Citizens of Boomtown release is reversed. Well, me, Noel, Mike and Derek will rant for a week or so.

I've become somewhat pacified by Pete's rather amazing claim on Facebook that he thinks it's the best thing the Rats have ever done. Not sure what he's smokin! smile

Re Brexit I keep thinking of the old Village People song to the tune of 'you can't stop the Brexit/Nobody can stop the Brexit.. Maybe Nigel Firage can don the famous Village People attire and bring out a song. Anyway like the BBC I'm trying to stay neutral. Have to admit that Rees-Mogg is rather amusing and always good for a laugh in a he's awful but I like him kind of way.

Mark L · Loudmouth

Jacob is very intelligent and very well versed in Parliamentary practice and procedures.

As for the BBC trying to stay neutral. Which 2 minutes since the referendum particularly was this?

Mark L · Loudmouth

Noel wrote:
Mark L wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Given that the meaning of the French Revolution is still debated and contested, it's no surprise the 2016 EU referendum is still argued about. It was not legally binding as the Act setting it up didn't say it would be. However, it is politically binding, as the leaflet sent to me by HM Government (can you believe they were campaigning for Remain back then) said the result would be implemented. I have it still. 'The Government will implement what you decide'.
The Government therefore has no place to reverse their promise.
Governments reversing promises, surely not! What was decided? The problem I have is that whilst I do want to leave the EU, I don't want to leave that much that it results in Trotsky being prime minister. So my response on the ballot paper was always qualified. I expressed a preference, but if I had been told how things would develop over the next three years, I would have voted to remain on the basis that gov.uk is incapable of implementing what was decided.
Agree, they have no place reversing promises, but all Governments have a record of doing so. Don't make it right. Agree, Corbyn becoming PM would be more disastrous than a No Deal Brexit. I still would have voted Leave. Never thought it would be easy. But it will have to be implemented. The alternative I feel would be mass civil disobedience. As there will be if Citizens of Boomtown release is reversed. Well, me, Noel, Mike and Derek will rant for a week or so.
I've become somewhat pacified by Pete's rather amazing claim on Facebook that he thinks it's the best thing the Rats have ever done. Not sure what he's smokin!

Never trust a Remainer!

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Noel wrote:
I've become somewhat pacified by Pete's rather amazing claim on Facebook that he thinks it's the best thing the Rats have ever done. Not sure what he's smokin!
Never trust a Remainer!

whereas BoJo could be trusted with....

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Noel wrote:
I've become somewhat pacified by Pete's rather amazing claim on Facebook that he thinks it's the best thing the Rats have ever done. Not sure what he's smokin!
Never trust a Remainer!
whereas BoJo could be trusted with....

Probably not much. But I wouldn't trust McDonnell or Corbyn as far as I could throw them. In fact, most politicians of the last 30 or 40 years, mired as they were for instance in a grotesque expenses scandal, have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. Remainer May shafted the country. Bliar and Brown? Mandelson? Clegg? Plague on all their houses. But to honour the Referendum result? Boris may be the best of a bad lot.

Mark L · Loudmouth

People have discovered since the vote for Brexit just how dishonest our political class is. And now these politicians who opine unconvincingly about saving democracy do not want to submit themselves to the democratic test of a General Election, at least not without some strict terms and conditions attached. Little do they know that their fear of seeking the publics approval only tells us that this is one of the most dishonourable, untrustworthy and unprincipled political elites of modern times.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
People have discovered since the vote for Brexit just how dishonest our political class is. And now these politicians who opine unconvincingly about saving democracy do not want to submit themselves to the democratic test of a General Election, at least not without some strict terms and conditions attached. Little do they know that their fear of seeking the publics approval only tells us that this is one of the most dishonourable, untrustworthy and unprincipled political elites of modern times.

Elites? Who are they?

-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 5th of September 2019 10:43:58 PM

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
....I wouldn't trust McDonnell or Corbyn as far as I could throw them.

Me neither. Both were (and in reality still are) eurosceptics.

Mark L · Loudmouth

MPs, SPADs and Spin Doctors of recent past and present were who I was thinking of. David Cameron I should have named before as well, for leading us into this mess. However, anyone who believes in democracy has to see the result seen through.

-- Edited by Mark L on Thursday 5th of September 2019 11:12:08 PM

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

It is perfectly possible that The Boomtown Rats could make the best album of their career. Many artists have late career resurgences. I know people will say 'oh the EP was no good' but by the time this new record comes out if all goes to plan in February 2020 then it will be 6 or 7 years since the EP and it'd be nice if it was treated as a fresh thing. They have proved themselves capable of magnificent live performances since their reunion and there is no reason why they can't produce a great recorded comeback as well.

Mark L · Loudmouth

It's possible there will be some good tracks. I really like Back to Boomtown so the EP showed some promise, but 75% of it was sub standard. When they have been magnificent live, they are mostly performances of classic tracks from their heyday and they were always an electric band live. This by no means indicates a great recorded comeback or the best album of their career, but no harm in being positive or optimistic.

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
....I wouldn't trust McDonnell or Corbyn as far as I could throw them.
Me neither. Both were (and in reality still are) eurosceptics.

One of the more hysterical scenes of the Brexit mayhem is watching a devout Eurosceptic being forced by his party to plead the strengths of the EU and membership of it. With typical Cummings-type discipline, Labour has issued the message that must be followed. There is no free vote for MPs, and at the membership level, Leavers are treated with contempt - something the party will come to regret. It's worth restating, as even some passionate Corbyn supporters seem to have forgotten, that our Jezza voted Leave in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in the early 90s and the Lisbon Treaty in 2009.

Noel · Dave

Rats Fan wrote:
It is perfectly possible that The Boomtown Rats could make the best album of their career. Many artists have late career resurgences. I know people will say 'oh the EP was no good' but by the time this new record comes out if all goes to plan in February 2020 then it will be 6 or 7 years since the EP and it'd be nice if it was treated as a fresh thing. They have proved themselves capable of magnificent live performances since their reunion and there is no reason why they can't produce a great recorded comeback as well.

I think the most indicative hint of how the new album might sound is a Geldof/Briquette track called Two Dogs. It was one of the extra tracks on the Geldof Anthology set of cd's that came out a while back. Some sort of vibe as Blowfish, but infinitely better than that lame rat droppings ep.

Two Dogs is on YouTube should anyone wish to check it out.

Mark L · Loudmouth

Noel wrote:
Rats Fan wrote:
It is perfectly possible that The Boomtown Rats could make the best album of their career. Many artists have late career resurgences. I know people will say 'oh the EP was no good' but by the time this new record comes out if all goes to plan in February 2020 then it will be 6 or 7 years since the EP and it'd be nice if it was treated as a fresh thing. They have proved themselves capable of magnificent live performances since their reunion and there is no reason why they can't produce a great recorded comeback as well.
I think the most indicative hint of how the new album might sound is a Geldof/Briquette track called Two Dogs. It was one of the extra tracks on the Geldof Anthology set of cd's that came out a while back. Some sort of vibe as Blowfish, but infinitely better than that lame rat droppings ep.
Two Dogs is on YouTube should anyone wish to check it out.

I think it is absolutely dreadful and thats 3 and half minutes of my life Ill never get back. Two dogs, one pile of do do. Id rather they released nothing than 10 tracks like that. The idea that that could be up there with Tonic or Surfacing is for the birds.

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

I don't see any reason at all why the new Boomtown Rats album would sound like 'Two Dogs'. It's a discarded track from nearly 20 years ago.

I might be the only person on this forum who is positive about the new album. I don't expect it to be bad and I'm looking forward to hearing it.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Rats Fan wrote:
I don't see any reason at all why the new Boomtown Rats album would sound like 'Two Dogs'. It's a discarded track from nearly 20 years ago.
I might be the only person on this forum who is positive about the new album. I don't expect it to be bad and I'm looking forward to hearing it.

No, a few are positive, some are negative and some are indifferent.

FWIW I am in the third category, but would love it if it was the best thing they ever did. I will wait and see.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
Noel wrote:
I think the most indicative hint of how the new album might sound is a Geldof/Briquette track called Two Dogs. It was one of the extra tracks on the Geldof Anthology set of cd's that came out a while back. Some sort of vibe as Blowfish, but infinitely better than that lame rat droppings ep.
Two Dogs is on YouTube should anyone wish to check it out.
I think it is absolutely dreadful and thats 3 and half minutes of my life Ill never get back. Two dogs, one pile of do do. Id rather they released nothing than 10 tracks like that. The idea that that could be up there with Tonic or Surfacing is for the birds.

What is Noel smoking? That is utter dog sh!te! In fact double dog sh!te!

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

It just seems that for a collection of fans who have devoted considerable personal expense to concert tickets and records over decades then there might be a little more enthusiasm from the forum. The rhetoric often seems to be overwhelmingly negative towards the band.

Mark L · Loudmouth

I think there is, justifiably, negativity towards the band's lack of information and updates, but not to the band itself, whom we are all loyal to and to whom we feel great affection. I have a different political view to Pete Bremain and Bob the question back to the people Geldof, but I think Pete is an amazing bass guitarist and Bob is a great singer songwriter with a unique charisma and personality and unquestionably he is a talented businessman. On politics, the best advice I have ever heard is to agree to disagree, as with religion, and be friends. Life is too short. So I have no personal animosity to any band member. But whilst I am excited to see what Citizens of Boomtown will be like, I am not going to pretend to be happy with ten tracks like Two Dogs, Ratlife etc. I have posted over 1800 times and the idea I am 'overwhelmingly negative' is not borne out by the number of posts or the general content of them and I am sorry if you have read them all and arrived at a different conclusion.

Mark L · Loudmouth

1906 times, just seen it!

Mike menzies · V Deep

I agree mark I'm annoyed with the info side but still love the band and hope hey still keep going and the lp gets released we live in hope

Derek The Dane · V Deep

I am very open minded about the new album.I think In The Long Grass is brilliant but loads of people are not keen.As long as we do not get a Mondo Bongo or V Deep I think we will be happy.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Derek The Dane wrote:
As long as we do not get a Mondo Bongo or V Deep I think we will be happy.

I would be happy with an album as good as either. At least half a dozen great tracks on each.

Mark L · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
Derek The Dane wrote:
As long as we do not get a Mondo Bongo or V Deep I think we will be happy.
I would be happy with an album as good as either. At least half a dozen great tracks on each.

Now Derek's smoking something! The Rats highest UK charting album with the exquisite Banana Republic on it, Graveyard and Go Man Go.? Yes please. Or the joys of He Watches it All, Million Years, House on Fire and Skin on Skin? Bring it on.

Mike menzies · V Deep

I would be pleased if it is as good as the three tracks on Ratliff (not ratified which I think was horrendous) as i quite liked them still do and still play them quite often but that's just my opinion

Rats Fan · Never In A Million Years

Hello mate, there might be a bit of crossed wires. I didn't mean you or anybody specifically and wasn't thinking about politics at all. I just meant as a broad principle there seems to be a fair bit of hostility to a new album and an assumption that it'll be bad. The EP was questionable at best I do agree but I'm still delighted the band are back together and are making a new record after 35 years. It's a dream come true for me.

Noel · Dave

ArrGee wrote:
Mark L wrote:
Noel wrote:
I think the most indicative hint of how the new album might sound is a Geldof/Briquette track called Two Dogs. It was one of the extra tracks on the Geldof Anthology set of cd's that came out a while back. Some sort of vibe as Blowfish, but infinitely better than that lame rat droppings ep.
Two Dogs is on YouTube should anyone wish to check it out.
I think it is absolutely dreadful and thats 3 and half minutes of my life Ill never get back. Two dogs, one pile of do do. Id rather they released nothing than 10 tracks like that. The idea that that could be up there with Tonic or Surfacing is for the birds.
What is Noel smoking? That is utter dog sh!te! In fact double dog sh!te!

I said Two Dogs might be 'an indicative hint of how the new album might sound, and then said basically it was a lot better than the Ratliff episode. Wasn't saying Two Dogs was the best thing since ITLG.

Two Dogs suffers from vocals buried too deep in the mix. It's more a howl, a primitive spontaneous unrehearsed 'song's, take call it what you will, and that's what I like about it. Blowfish, from How To...is probably a better example of how the album might sound.Both songs are raw and seem to be trying to give voice to buried, subconscious feelings.

Knowing the Rats and seeing how it might be the last album they ever make I feel we should get something decent. Think Geldof said there should be about 4 singles. Don't agree that people are being negative and Derek seems to be the only one with a problem with Mondo Bongo/V Deep.