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Love Match Compatibility to Bob Geldof
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I found this weird site: href="http://www.celebmatch.com/birthdayform_13033_Bob_Geldof.php">Match
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Merchandise
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I've still got some stuff. t-shirts, button badges etc from the early days of the Rats. One item I have which seems a bit quirky is a ceramic porcelain like ashtray. Nicely colured and glazed, in the shape of the swimming pool from Fine Art of Surfacing. Probably about 6" x 4" and is inscribed...
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Juliet Naked (aka Am I Nick Hornby in disguise?)
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Ever since he wrote Fever Pitch the story of an obsessive Arsenal fan (errr!) - a number of people who I met at the time said the book reminded them of me, some of his books have been too close for comfort! High Fidelity - A musically obsessed list maker (errr!) Juliet Naked - A artist obsessed fan with his o...
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Youbloom judging- Bob, Rupert and Nigel
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Video of Bob, Rupert Hines, Nigel Grainge and others judging the songs. Longer version to come. http://youbloom.com/ybsc/judges/
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Photo Competition! I need HELP!!!!!!
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I need help in winning a photo competition on facebook as I'm up against a serial competition competitor whose photo is terrible! Now the lady in 2nd is a decent sort and I'd be happy if she won but we both agree that the lady in 1st needs to be stopped! You will understand when you see her photo! To view all t...
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Blues singer Tam White
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I wa sorry to hear of the death of Edinburgh blues singer Tam White, who died suddenly today at the age of 68. He had played with all the greats, Van Morrison , Al Green etc. He was also an actor, often in the likes of Taggart and Rebus. He was also in Braveheart, though I dont know if he had any scenes with Jean...
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Gerry Cott leads search for "Toto"
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I dont know if any other sad people like me watch Andrew Loyd Webber's "a search for Dorothy" on a Saturday. they are also trying to find a Toto. Who is their "canine expert"? None other than Gerry Cott.
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Another big loss for the music industry
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The God father of punk has died. Only 64 years old. Malcolm McLaren. This will mean a lot to many of us who are a 'certain age' - Punk was our era...
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Funeral Songs - kinda weird subject but...
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saw this really quite strange subject on another forum, so I thought I'd ask the same question here...see if we can get some action!!
the question is: which songs would you have played on your funeral? tough one..
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Any Elvis Costello fans here?
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Assuming some crossover here, but these are great re-issues, and all @ £6 each (excludes postage @ 50p/cd + 50p/order for UK).
How good would the Rats re-issues be if they matched these? Luckily, the only one I ever bought on CD was Get Happy
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Spotify now available to everyone in the UK
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This is a great streaming service along with www.we7.com that will allow you to listen to a vast back catalogue of music including ALL the Boomtown Rats albums, among many others. Pretty much everything from Bob Dylan to Pulp (well except The Beatles). There are some advertisements but other than th...
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Celebrities.....
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Is the media dominated by too few celebs? I know the BIG news has to be about people that everyone knows for it to sell. They all do it of course papers with tit tat about celebs, photos etc. etc. Many shows are hosted by the same old faces etc. And lets face it us Brits watch a tonne of TV! Is it a bit unhe...
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Happy New Year all Boomtown Rats and Bob Geldof Fans!
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Most embarrassing record/cd in your collection
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Come on guys - what's the most embarrassing item in your record collection? What's the cd you kick under the sofa if the cool new neighbour comes to visit unexpectedly?
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Rock Chicks (or why can't girls play guitar?)
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I've been spending too much time sorting through my mp3s recently, but I have noticed that overall there is an positive effect when a girl is in a band.
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The greatest "greatest hits"....
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... as it is nearing Christmas, I note that the usual batch of greatest hits albums are doing the rounds. I was thinking about what the greatest of all of these albums was. In my opinion they have to have all the best tracks and singles of the artist in question with no omissions (which rules out the Rat...
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New song for climate change
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New song for climate change. I have tried embedding it with the embedding code, but on the preview, it just shows the code. Would it show the video on the actual post? here is the URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBTZOg6l6cA
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MUST WATCH TV - Ghosthunting with Happy Mondays
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The funniest show I have seen in ages. I was in tears laughing. On ITV Player on Virgin Media (and elsewhere I guess). First broadcast 12th September. Yvette Fielding takes legendary Manchester band Happy Mondays on a journey to the dark side in Lincoln and Nottingham's scariest locations. She i...
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Funny and true
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Had to tell you this, we had a jolly good giggle at work today. We discovered on the back of some leaflets that the there was a mis-spelling in the word Oxfordshire. The 2nd r was typed as a t!
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Proclaimers British Tour dates
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UK Tour 2007 English and Welsh dates on sale from 30th March. Oct-03 Carlisle Sands centre 01228 625222 www.thesandscentre.co.uk Oct-04 Hull City Hall 01482 226655 www.hullcc.gov.uk/hullcityhall/ Oct-05 Bradford St Georges Hall 01274 432000 www.bradford-theatres.co.uk Oct-07 Derby Asse...
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Out of Ireland
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Have you seen this before. I have the book, 'From a whisper to a scream'. Think its the same story! But this is a clip from the DVD. It came out in 2003! Doh! Didn't know there was a DVD. If you havn't seen it, its a great treat with U2, Gavin Friday, Radiators..... Project arts centre (although minimal),...
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John Lennon art exhibition
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http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/sgt-lenno...
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U2 and Franz Ferdinand
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Without wishing to turn this forum into yet another U2 one - I'm so excited, have just secured 4 GAs to U2 in Wembly on 14 August. Looks like we have Elbow in support, am hoping Snow Patrol will be there too or the Kaisers. Thought I'd add FF to get a bit of variety in here - I heard their new single this mornin...
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Boom Box
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Hi! Nerdy but, what type of equipment are we all using to listen to the band we all love so well! just wondering nick Sorry, editing the post I realise I forgot to mention my setup... I listen to cd's and vinyl. Arcam cd, b&o turntable and amp, celestion floorstanders..... Old and cheap but I like i...
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Monday Humble Pie
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Peter Frampton is the best cure for a hangover..Especially for me today. Woke this morning with a wine glass in my hand!
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U2 on Letterman
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The saints of Ireland are repeating their performance on the rooftop in London.-on the The top of David Lettermans studio.WOW! Christ in Heaven. Whats next Bruce Springsteen and Sean Penn give bono a massage?
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I Don't Like Holidays
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Maybe the fact that it is a Monday has nothing to do with it. But yet more shootings in the US, this time a University Campus. Several dead. The song just somehow seems appropriate. Shockingly awful.
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Oasis cancels China shows
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Whats the word Larry Bird?
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Deep in the Heart of Somewhere (Dublin)
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This was my second trip to Dublin and Id been looking forward to it from the moment it had been booked. The Ryan Air flight got us into Dublin on time on Thursday 7.35 am! We arrived at the hotel before 9 am, exhausted from our early rise. We went off to get some breakfast and when we returned the hotel had o...
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Bob's your uncle? Your father? Your twin?
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I have a picture of Jim Cuddy and an older man who also looks like Jim Cuddy... I actually saved it to my picture file...it looked to be such an oddity... Looking up Mick Owen this evening (we have a Brit named Mick coming to supervise our new roof later in the week..)...and came across a picture of Vince Lo...
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Fav other band
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As the topic says i will go for at the moment James followed by Madness
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This forum suddenly shrank. I couldn't work out what it was - but the music section seems to have gone and it looks like the topics have but merged into here. Is there a bit of a tidy up going on?
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War Child Heroes
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If you got a record token this Christmas (hopefully not from Woolworths or Zavvi), here is something to spend it on. http://www.warchild.org.uk/heroes
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Franz Ferdinand at HMV Oxford Street (London) on 26 Jan 2009
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http://www.londonisfree.com/2009/01/franz_ferdinand_signing_at_the_hmv_store.htmlFranz Ferdinand will be performing songs from their new album in HMV Oxford Street on Mo...
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Boomtown Ruth doesn't like Mondays (groan!)
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This song pops up in the strangest articles. I love the way the Daily Mail have to make it crystal clear where the name comes from. Do they have a glossary? Surely embryo and sibling would need some explanation for the poor souls that read it. ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061432/An...
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Ian Dury play coming to London
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"The Life and Rhymes of Ian Dury" is playing at the Courtyard Theatre , London from 25 November to 14 December. I saw the play twice at the Edinburgh Festival and loved it. Very funny, moving and of course lots of music. I recommend it. I was not an Ian Dury fan before, but I play his stuff a lot no...
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See Oasis for a fiver
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2008/artists/oasis/
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Is anybody there?
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Simply that... if you are there speak up!
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Going to the Great Gig in the Sky
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A sad loss for the music world. Pink Floyd's Richard Wright has died. He had a short battle with cancer. Thankfully, it was short and he hasn't had to suffer to long. As far as I'm concerned Floyd are one of the greatest bands ever. Very unique and innovative. Good for Bob for getting Floyd back toge...
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Political Dissilusionment
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Hey guys, in the process of writing my personal statement for university I found the underlieing theme of why I wanted to do politics was to find out who doesn't vote and why. So I've just posted a blog to try and get a few responses and a little information [might also give me something to talk about at my C...
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Play about Ian Dury
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If anyone is going to the Edinburgh Fringe , I can recommend a play about the life of Ian Dury. Funny, poignant, sad. The actor looked like Ian, moved like Ian and sang like Ian. Well worth going to. I can give more details to anyone interested.
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What is your Goth name?
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As we are doing nothing around here, let's have a bit of fun:
My goth name is Death Dealer, look up yours here:
http://www.necroticobsession.com/gothname.html
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A unique new talent-- BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Please give this guy a listen. A totally unique voice, which made me stop in my tracks. You can listen to his album on
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/keenanjohn
I love the first track, especially. He writes all his own material and also for other people and is looking to get his singing career off the g...
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Ilaria calls Geldof in her own way...
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My friend Ilaria, calls Geldof 'Bobert', because she used to think that Bob was the abbreviation of Bobert, not Robert! She used to think that the only way to name-calling 'a Robert' is Rob... but first I didn,t like it... It seems a mockery... then I changed idea... and now, when I talk about Geldof wit...
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tiger lily not up for film part
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It turns out, contrary to reports ,that Tiger Lily Hutchence is NOT up for an audition for a film in Hollywood. Instead, it is a girl I have seen on TV, Tiger Lily Hutchison. I wondered about her at the time. The BBC seemingly caused this mix up. Paula's TL is older, so the other one should definitely chang...
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HI GUYS!!
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It's been forever! So hi everyone! Long time no anything *bookmarks page to get back here more often*
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Meatloaf
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He went off stage on Wednesday suffering from exhaustion. I've got tickets for tonight in Birmingham. They're still hoping he'll play. So do I, so wishing him well. His doctor said he'd be OK after staying in bed yesterday. I've got to phone the NEC later this morning to find out what's going on
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Irish Rockers Forum- new
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http://irishrockers.com/forum/
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Cancel the Olympics
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The Olympics must be the most immoral event in the world right now. Beijing are about to hold it and despite the clampdown in Tibet (estimated 40 dead, but who knows?), a load of British athletes want to run around London with the torch and bang on about how the Olympic spirit and how the games bring the p...
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Paula's books
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Since you asked, ArrGee... 
So much has been written about Paula Yates
luckily(?) not so much here. Nonetheless, as this forum section is here, I would like to say that I enjoyed reading Paula Yates books a lot!
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Geldof in Africa - who wants a free copy?
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Yes I'm giving one away!! I already have a hardback copy and a paperback copy and received a further paperback for Christmas. It's just sitting on the shelf doing absolutely nothing... So you can have it for absolutely nothing. I get free postage stamps so you don't need to worry abou...
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MySpace
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Just thinking as I surf around other websites,like www.myspace.com it is where I found out alot of performers who sign up and let fans get to know about them, and most do have there admin. run the sites, like another of my all time favorites Mr.Van Morrison, she gives us updates on tours an...
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Are CDs dead?
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With the bad sales figures over Crimbo (HMV/Woolies issued profits warnings, Music Zone into receivership), and having signed up to one of these download subscription services, I'm coming round to thinking I don't need CDs anymore (much like cassettes).
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This article is in poor taste
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http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i31519
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A million views
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No 1 Opera House in Botswana
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New venue for Bob? One of my favourite authors is Alexander McCall Smith, author of the No 1 Ladies Detective Agency novels, set in Botswana. I have met him. He is a delightful man. He lives quite near my work. (as do Ian Rankin and JK Rowling). He calls Bob Geldof "that man with the untidy hair, who s...
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U2 3D
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I went to see the U2 3D movie on friday & oh my God it was amazing. Never mind high definition 3D is the way to go! It was like the band was literally right in front of you & the graphics were crystal clear. They were that clear you could see the sweat on the guys faces & the hairs on their arms not to...
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Race for Life - Cancer Research UK
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Sadly due to too many other commitments I am not able to take part this year. But the cause still means a lot to me and also to a close friend of mine. She recently lost a friend who leaves behind a husband and children. Please sponsor her to do the race: [url]http://www.raceforlifesponsorme.org/joy...
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What you doing May Bank Holiday Weekend, Fancy This ??
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Me and Ian are currently working in a PR and ress capacity for the Acoustic Festival of Britain. The event is presented and promoted by Artists 2 Events and is hosting some really top class artists. SO if youre at a loose end for the May Bank Holiday weekend, have a look at this. There is an air of excitem...
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3137696.ece
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Geoffrey Richardson -myspace
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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=162979608
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Merry Christmas to all of you
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Wishing you all a great Christmas and an extra special 2008. A few Geldof gigs and more music would make it extra special. What do you think?
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Massimo Priviero - Rock & Poems
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Dear all, The best italian Rocker Massimo Priviero have made a new brilliant album: Rock & Poems Please visit the official website: www.priviero.com and listen some new songs If you want to buy the album please contact our shop: shop@priviero.com Introduction Lots of these songs came to life i...
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Burma
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Is the situation is Burma one of the most shameful ever? A brutal military dictatorship have for almost 12 years kept the leader of the democratically elected government under house arrest. Not only that but they suppress peaceful protest with extreme violence and have now decided to build thei...
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What do you do on the weekends?
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Pronto! That's "Hello" in italian, or so I am told. This topic /thread is for those of us who want to get to know our mates better - the people we converse with on this site. Please participate if you are brave enough to share a little bit of yourself. It is meant to be fun and interesting. N...
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Happy birthday Jules
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Happy Birthday Jules. What would this board do without you?
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Hi guys! how are you?
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hi to all BG fans!! how are you? I'm well... very well Now I'm working for an Italian Singer: Massimo Priviero If you wanna know something about Massimo and his music please surf his official website www.priviero.com (I'm the webmaster), or myspace: http://myspace.com/massimopriviero all the be...
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Bon Jovi fans
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I was wondering is there any Bon Jovi fans here.
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Anyone like R.E.M.?
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Hi Yall. listen if anyone is into R.E.M. i have my own R.E.M. Group here on Msn and if your into R.E.M. like myself please feel free to join us. Lots of R.E.M. pictures,etc......So if any R.E.M. Fans out there want to join a R.E.M. Group please do.
http://groups.msn.com/R-E-M-FANS
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book: Uncommon Sound
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Hey guys: I was searching for something else and ran across this. Have you heard of this book? It's called "Uncommon Sound" and it is a book about all the different left-handed guitarists (like a biography type of encyclopedia of major left-handed guitarists in all the different m...
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The man who is giving away £1billion to charity
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007330341,00.html
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LiveEarth?
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As Bob says, what was the point of it all? Not only that - what about the all the energy used to stage it all, all the rubbish generated from it, all the unnecessary travel people did to get there (cars/planes/buses/trains etc)?????
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Phil Lynott's mum
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I came accross this lovely article about Phil Lynott's mum, Philomena in a local newspaper. It is 21 years since Phil died, at the young age of 36. A guy from Berwick, called Steve is a massive fan and does a Lynott tribute act. Earlier this year, he visited Lynott's grave in Dublin's St Fintan's cemetry...
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Dead Ringer From Hell
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I went to see the best tribute band/artist I have ever seen last night. If you put this band on the radio you would truly think that you were listening to Meatloaf, Ringer is that good. The set is a story told by Meat loaf songs and a few others drawn in to piece it together. There are 4 female 'backing' si...
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If you are having a bad day, think on...
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Fantastic news that Alan Johnston was finally freed yesterday. He wrote this for today's Independent. His last paragraph really makes you think: In his own words: Alan Johnston on his release 'You have to have been a prisoner to know how good freedom is' Published: 05 July 2007 The past 16 weeks we...
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Ure award
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http://icrenfrewshire.icnetwork.co.uk/pde/news/tm_headline=degree-of-success-for-legend-midge-&method=full&objectid=19368451&siteid=63858-name_page.html
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Poetry
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I thought you might be interested in this. Christine, or also known as Celtic Christine was a much respected member of the old Geldof forum. She was also on Myspace for a while and some of you came across her there. Unfortunately these days she doesn't get the time to get involved in this forum due to he...
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Sorry, do not like the new layout, mainly because there are no dates on show. So you can't tell if you have read the post already. I feel I am wasting time re reading posts and navigating the board. Sorry to be so negative. Why were the changes made, out of interest.
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The top 20 viewed topics on this board....
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Unbelievable! Who reads this board? 2005-07-28 Peaches Geldof's 'Inside the Teenage Mind'28752007-03-17 Spice World28422006-06-24 pictures28372005-12-02 Bushisms18532007-04-18 Another pic of Bob-sex on legs!17962005-05-29 Live 8 - Will it happen?15232006-05-11 Your favorite rats...
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Race for Life 2007
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http://www.raceforlifesponsorme.org/raceforlifeagain
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Mugabe stripped of Honourary Degree, Edinburgh Uni.
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I am posting this because it is very close to home. My husband works for Edinburgh University and my sister was a student there. Robert Mugabe is the first known international figure to be stripped of an honourary degree by a university , after a campaign in Scotland by the media, students past and pres...
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Rock n'Roll tours of Dublin
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Seemingly Bono's brother does, or did, rock n roll tours of Dublin. Sounds good. Would need further investigation though. http://66.148.29.58/tripping/dublin.html
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Moving Reads
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I have been going through a stage of reading books based around the 2nd world war. There are two I'd highly recommend to people who might be interested in this topic. The first is a novel but is extremely well written & researched. It's called Kommadants Girl by Pam Jenoff (I think I've spelt that ri...
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Please vote for my school's choir
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Hi, Can I ask everyone to take a minute to vote for my school choir in the BBC Joseph choir competition. The winners get to sing at the Diana memorial concert in London with the winner of the BBC Joseph competition. Voting has been suspended till Monday, but you can see sing them on http://www.josephch...
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Sunshine on leith
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I saw an absolutely brilliant show last night. "Sunshine on Leith" (Leith is a dockland area and suburb of Edinburgh, but used to be a separate town ). The show was written around the music of The Proclaimers from the last 20 Years. Hits like "Letter To America, 500 Miles, Sunshine on L...
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New relief for psoriasis
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Hi Everyone, Since moving to israel a few years ago, people here have highly recommended that I use products made from the special minerals of the dead sea. The minerals are used in cosmetics as wonderful moisturizers and also in other products that are geared to treat special skin conditions like ps...
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reaching out for freddie
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name of event: reaching out for freddie time / date :thursday 24th november from 7pm place: owston Park - Doncaster Road - Doncaster - what will be happing DJ + Dancefloor + Karaoke + Exchanging collector materials + Showing of rare and unseen dvd's all + Talking about what we could organize for the 15t...
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Please reply to this dance video. It is very funny
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My local radio station, Radio Forth1, has produced a silly, but funny dance video with all the DJs and producers. I know Mr Pants, (aka Grant Stott), as I taught his children. Have a look and please add your comments. http://www.forth2.com/Article.asp?id=388121 -- Edited by Scottie at 15:43, 20...
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John Turnbull on Aussie tour
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Bob's guitarist John Turnbull will be hitting the road with World Party in Sept .World Party will be opening for Steely Dan on their Australian and New Zealand tour.See live show dates here .. tickets go no sale Monday April 24th. http://premier.ticketek.co.nz/
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Why are older bands (when they start) better?
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Not as old as the Stones, but in general some of the better bands in my experience didn't break through until their lead singer (and most of the band) had lived a bit.
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The Boomtown Rats
Blondie
Teardrop Explodes - Cope though youngish (23) was married!
Happy Mo...
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George Michael
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Who was in the front row at George Michael's sell out London concert? Bob was, as was Rupert Everett and other celebs.
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Heylooo Again All!
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Hey again to everyone. I haven't been on in....well, a very long time -nods- Some of yu will know me from the Sunday Night chats =] I had the Abigail account, but, my p/w went missing, so I'm back. Anyone up to anything interesting? - Abi x
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Has Vince had his hair cut short?
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Maybe a stupid topic, but what do you think? He pops in and out of the first video from Cartagena and there is a close up in the other one. I think Vince has had his hair cut quite short. Or is it just tied back? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNvVx9mYjZ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsd9aZyUzP...
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What's your track of the day?
For some reason, over the last few months I've gone through a few small obsessive phases with Exile On Main Street, especially the track Loving Cup. I don't know why. I could, and have, listened to it over and over again. I don't know if it's the...
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Spice World
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Alright. I did it for you guys. I shelled out 10 bucks for a copy of that poor excuse for a movie (cause no decent video club would have it on their shelves) and wasted 97 minutes (yes, I counted them) of my life to see 49 seconds of Bob on the big screen.
And I must say... It was well worth it.
Don't get me wr...
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Did anyone see this last night?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/03/17/baticket117.xml
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Tigerlily
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Did anyone see or tape Fallen Angel the other night? I did not see it, but the child actress playing Rosie, the murderer as a young girl was listed as Tigerlily Hutchinson. Is it a coincidence or was it Paula's daughter?
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Geldof on the Pogues
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If you know a bit about Irish Music, then this might interest you. Bob Geldof on the Pogues http://www.pogues.com/Print/geldof_essay_2005.html
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IWIW
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Hi Everyone!! I was wondering if I could get some help with IWIW.. Basically.. Last year I went touring Europe. One of the places that I visited was Hungary. (Budapest in particular) And I met a few people there that were really nice and cool. So anyways, I recently heard about IWIW... (i know i k...
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